Do you need lots of seating? How many chapter members and initiates do you have?

Alright GC, now I'm starting to think you guys are just looking to pick on this poor grammatically challenged girl now...not so much in her defense.. but is it really your business (or really important to know) how many members or initiates she has or why she cares to have lots of seating?

I was the one who brought up the location thing, so make fun of my parking garage idea before you jump on her about ample seating.

I think we should all "say something nice or not say anything at all" at least on the boards. If you wanna talk some smack either do it tactfully or in a PM. All of us are representing our respectful organizations when we post here and just as Silmanarmo's actions reflect on her org, so does people's replies to her reflect on their orgs. I'm just saying, based on some of the replies to her, I would not want to be associated with many of you either, not just Silmanarmo.

WannaB3

Awww. The newb thinks we should all play nice.

Let's all thank her for her concern.

YAYYYYYYYYY!!!!!!

Our first pledge will be two parts. A private one and a public one. Because our first group of sisters is so small (7 founding + 4 pledges) we decided to do it this way. The public ceremony will allow our friends and family to come. We won't be HUGE but we thought that this way it would give us a more "ceremony" feeling.

OTW, it's not about playing nice, it's called having RESPECT and not getting off by belittling others, which many of you seem to enjoy. If you don't have something productive to add, I don't see the point in trying to bring someone down in such a negative, demeaning, unthoughtful, and unprofessional way. You can roll your eyes, or whatever, I really don't care. You all don't phase me. But I watch you (you = people on GC) attack and tear people down like lions for absolutely no reason other than to get your laughs at someone else's cost when all they did was ask advice from you, the allegedly, so called, "experienced" ones.

I never said your comments to her weren't valid, because I feel many of them are valid, but they can be presented in a much better way. You need to think about the way you are representing yourself and your organization before you can tell someone how to represent their's.

WannaB3

P.S. just because I am new at posting doesn't mean I have been in the shadows for a while. YAYYYYYYYYYYYYY for me!

Ummmm, who was making fun of her remark about seating? Assume much?

Silmanarmo has asked lots of questions here about starting a sorority in general and about ritual in particular. I'm one of the people who has tried to provide some answers to those questions about ritual. She has noted that she found materials available online from Delta Upsilon -- well known for being one of the few GLOs with completely open, rather than secret, ritual -- which she found useful.

Since the rituals for most GLOs are closed, ample seating is usually not an issue, especially for smaller chapters. Sooooo, I was curious why ample seating would play into their consideration. Not making fun, not belittling, just curious. Perhaps the phrasing of my question grew out of the presumption that rituals will be closed, since that is the more common practice; perhaps I could have been direct and said "will your rituals be open?

But I actually thought it might be a little more respectful not to be so direct. I think you have to be reading way too much into it to find making fun of or belittling anyone.

Interesting. I know of at least one or two other GLOs (other than Delta Upsilon) where the pledge ceremony is open.

Thanks.

Please refer to SoCalGirl's signature when you can, thx.

I call BS on being in the shadows for a while because if that were really true, then you'd know better. And newsflash -- there's a website out there that might be better suited for you:

http://www.relaxyourassranch.com/How...und%20Bale.jpg

http://www.gumption.com/blog/wp-cont..._cover_art.jpg

thanks for that and here is one for you...and everyone I think. Just replace, "blogs" with "threads people start on GC" , and you will get the idea. http://www.mmiblog.com/monday_mornin...ng_maturi.html

Tuesday, June 28, 2005

Blogging Maturity 101

http://www.mmiblog.com/monday_mornin...es/manners.jpg Tally Wilgis had a great post last week about blogging and some great rules for keeping blogs positive. As many of you know, we've had our own 'growing pains' here at the [virtual greek hang out] from time to time... people biting each other's heads off, throwing punches, etc. :) But it's really because we're a diverse group that comes from a lot of different backgrounds. And, it seems, we're all passionate about what we believe. Tally's thoughts were so good, I'm going to post it, along with our rules on a new reference page here at the blog. Thanks, Tally!
Tally writes:

Because blogging is relatively new for most people I'd like to think that many of the people who are involved with blogging are adolescents in their use of this new medium. As with young people there is an uncertainty among those who are learning the blogging world. For many of these otherwise fine individuals the urge to make an ignorant remark is simply too strong. The perceived glory is far too great and the self-centeredness takes hold under the guise of "to god (g) be the glory!" With some angry "Christian" bloggers, God simply becomes a means to an end. The end being the feeling of "winning" a blogging boxing match.

So, for all my friends who are learning how to blog (and comment on blogs):

1. Each blog you visit is the internet "home" of someone.
You wouldn't dare walk into a home and run your mouth at the host. It's inappropriate to do on blogs as well. It's just ugly and you end up looking stupid. Don't do it. It's immature.

2. Any attack on a blog is a public attack.
It's one thing to debate a friend in college where it's you two in a room or sitting out on the grass with no one else around. Imagine if you took some of those debates and broadcasted them to every dorm room on campus. Yeah. Be aware of what you say. You can look stupid, no matter how 'valid' your point may be.

3. It takes time to type so people will judge you a little tougher.
When everyone knows you took time to type your thought it gets a little more scrutiny than if you just said something in a conversation. It's one thing (still dumb) to blurt out something ignorant in a conversation b/c you don't have the facts or you come off as rude but to type it solidifies any thought of you being immature or ignorant. Read what you type. You have time to think it through!

4. A sign of maturity is the ability to delay gratification.
One thing that separates a mature person from the immature is the ability to hold back from immediate gratification. This is true for the blog world. We all have opinions.

If you have a brain you have a thought, but not every thought has to be brought forward and presented in the dialogue. I try to operate on terms of 'value added'. When I'm considering posting I ask "Is what I'm about to say going to add value to the conversation?" My "opinion" sometimes means NOTHING to the core of the author's post. Therefore I keep my golden brain to myself no matter how great I think I may be at the time.

5. Look up the term Ad Hominem.
I'll do the work for you: [link]

The jest of an Ad hominem is that it's an attack on the person rather than the argument. I see this so much in the blog world it makes me sick.
Goes a little like this--

Author: "So and so is doing something amazing for God."
Immature Blogger: "So and so is a blank and blank. Why doesn't so and so just become more humble, LIKE ME!"

Don't attack the person. If you disagree and you must get your thought on record, do it in a civil way. Don't go after people. If you must, talk about the idea presented.

6. You can be both true and Wrong at the same time!
For many immature bloggers they don't understand that perception is reality. Although the context of what they are saying is true, how they are spraying is wrong. For effective communication both parts must be able to be received.. the saying AND the spraying.

Those who don't want to work to make their communication better received by their audience have lowered themselves to bully status. "I'll say what I want and you WILL listen or else". The 'or else' in blog world is usually "Or else I'll keep posting!"

So there you have it... some thoughts to consider. If you don't like them it's okay to disagree. Just disagree in the right manner and we can all play in the sandbox together.

Thanks, Tally... I couldn't have said it better! I hope you all agree!
Todd
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WannaB3:o

Yes I do assume some. Grandma always said when you assume, U make an ASS out of ME! Bravo!

I do realize there are others who have been assisting her, such as yourself, and I apologize for my swift confrontation directed at you. I am sure it was misguided anger. I still feel the same about what I said, though.

Best to ALL of GC,
WannaB3:o

Grandma didn't say it, Felix Unger on the Odd Couple did.

And the correct quote is "When you assume, you make an ASS out of U and ME."

I will not put up with people who steal from classic sitcoms and aren't smart enough to know it.

OH Geez get over yourself! I said my grandmother said it because she did and SHE said it the way I quoted it above.

I don't care about Felix Unger or "The Odd Couple" and I'm sure my grandmother doesn't either. I was making a point...which you helped me prove.

....How could I not know that having knowledge of every line from every "classic sitcom" is such a sign of "smarts". Yeah, of course, it's right up there with using correct grammar and spelling on message boards.:rolleyes:

one more time...

Very original response.:p Guess you couldn't think of another put down on your own? I'm sure there's some classic sitcom, that I am not smart enough to know about, that you could quote from to try to chop me down to size some more.

Keyword: try :rolleyes:

'nuff said. Oh, and wannabe - that's an original quote by me. Just as the one below is an original quote by you.

Um..okay. I thought we were quoting classic sitcoms now. I got one.

:oJ.J.: Around here, we've got something more powerful than Drano. See, all we do is hang a picture of Thelma's face over the drain, and the clog goes away. We call it: Thelmo. :D:D
Thelma: Yes, and when it's really clogged, we have to use the snake, so we send J.J. down there personally.:D