I think some international officers need to learn discretion.

I think we already knew that. Did anyone here not know that?

A-Freaking-MEN. :rolleyes:

I think that discretion should be The Wave Of The Future.

So where's the one for the fraternities? I would think that would be of more interest to a fraternity alumnus.

Just on the basis of a few schools on "the list" that I'm familiar with, it looks to me like current NPC orgs are the ones included. The list might look slightly different if it included the former NPC groups -- Alpha Delta Theta, Delta Sigma Epsilon, Pi Kappa Sigma, Theta Sigma Upsilon, Phi Omega Pi, Theta Upsilon, Beta Phi Alpha and Beta Sigma Omicron. In some cases those sororities had chapters that became inactive before a group merged with / was absorbed by another NPC org.

However, digging for that information might be a lot more trouble than it would be worth.

And of course a similar list for fraternities -- well, men's fraternities, for those of us who strive to be hypercorrect when we remember to be -- might be be difficult, and huge.

well, statistics are relative and adding one variable or leaving one out of the equation can really skew the results.

several posters brought up taking into consideration when the chapter/colony was closed. another variable which would make a difference would be the agressiveness of the sorority's expansion program-how many colonies/chapters had been established in the set time period. some sororities seem to be more cautious than others when they are considering expansion.

Yep! One example would be UCLA. When it became part of the UC system around 1920, sororities flooded the place. In 1930 there were 35 sororities on campus....all housed! These were NPC, now former NPC and locals. It slowly dwindled down to the current 11 over the course of 70 years.

University of Maryland, on the other hand, only had a few locals that quickly became chapters of NPCs starting in the mid-1920s. The number of chapters grew over the next 30-40 years peaking at 18. Now there are 14.

The point is that you can't make one definative statement about how expansion could work or does work for campuses so drastically different from eachother.

For what it is I think it's interesting. And I think we all know that extension isn't something that you just fling a chapter at a wall and hope it sticks. You really do have to investigate the financial, school, city, traditions, general activity, and enrollment aspects as well.

I don' really sit around in misery and my own group is pretty much at the top. Nor do I feel "better" about the ones at the bottom. It's a list, it's just some information. It is what it is and it's kinda interesting that someone did the work so I could see a different aspect of this issue.

Another thing worth pointing out is how often (in modern NPC times) have these campuses been open to expansion? You can't just go round re-colonizing anywhere you want. You have to be invited.

7 inactives here? I know all 15 recognized ones but not a single unrecognized... thats weird.

Inactive is not the same thing as unrecognized. Just a guess, but maybe you don't know the inactive chapters because they've been inactive since before you were in college.


For the sake of accuracy, I believe Theta Phi only has 11 inactive chapters at the listed schools.

I'm a trivia lover, so the lists keep me entertained. To blast the OP for simply posting his opinion is rediculous. If you don't like his lists, don't read them.

Lists and opinions and two separate things.

And it's far from "an opinion." To quote Dani:

For all we know this person may or may not even exist and "he" may have just thrown it out there so he can back himself up.

I'm guessing that NPC organizations do things a bit differently here... but I don't see how that has to necessarily be the case across the board. There are ways to use foundation money to help fund non 501(c)(3) qualified expenses such as housing.

For example, a 501(c)(3) foundation can write the local/national house corporation a mortgage on a property (at an interest rate around that which would have been found in an arm's length transaction). The foundation can actually 100% fund some aspects of a chapter's facility. To state across the board, unless this is an NPC thing, that the foundations only deal with managing the charitable aspects of their organizations is not 100% accurate. Again, that might be an NPC thing, which I have no clue about, but I can't imagine the umbrella organization would govern what their constituents' foundations could do.

I could plausibly see a foundation playing a big role in expansion. Especially if they're working with some sort of national house corporation.

Oldu,

I'd be interested in seeing the stats for more schools. Right now, your sample may not be representative, and it would be interesting to be able to tell if some NPC groups are better able to gage their likelihood of success when they expand to new campuses and/or are able to provide better assistance to their chapters to make sure they don't close.

If you are willing, maybe you could choose an expanded list of schools with a geographic and demographic mix that would be an accurate sample for the nation (and the relative number of chapters that each NPC has/has ever had). I suggest this seriously since you do seem to enjoy research and list making.

And then, we could revisit the results to look for the organizations that really have a strength in this area.