Moe...u know the scary part...is that there are people STILL trying to fit that square pegged peice you just said into a round hole of truth....

There are those who are still trying to fit his middle name to Muslim ties...

EXACTLY. It's completely insulting to say that being on the front lines is "romantic". The man's been watching too many John Wayne movies and Patton to know the truth. Telling the people who have lost friends and compatriots that fighting is exciting and romantic is absurd. In the beginning, a lot of my friends in the Army were excited to go and fight. They had talked about preparing for war, but never actually getting to do it. A lot of them compared it to a surgeon, preparing through med school and residency, only to never operate in the "real world." Fast forward to today... when many of my friends have been on 3 or more tours. All of them. They have lost friends in the fight, they are leaving home for 15 months at a time, marriages are destroyed and parents no longer know their children. Not to mention that there has been no real clear plan of how to win this thing. It is extremely disheartening.

I have devoted a lot of time to offering mental health services to soldiers and their families in this time of war. I've heard it all. Not being able to sleep, when you do sleep, having terrible dreams, being jittery and accidentally pulling a weapon on your spouse when they come up behind you. If W would spend just 1 hour of time getting the real story from these folks, he would realize that what he said is probably the most asinine thing anyone has ever said.

I didn't do drugs... it puts money in the hands of street gangs and cartels, alcohol doesn't do that.
I would hardly call being drunk a few times and getting a DUI alcoholism, just bad luck. Nor would I consider his daughters alcoholics just because they got caught drinking underage, if you can show evidence to their being alcoholics I'd be interested.
Still, you'll be voting for the guy with the better service record though?

PhiGam...you are borderlining on twit-dom ok?

Like father like daughter...being the pres and having a daddy with CIA ties makes it really easy to keep this kid's problems on the quiet...what say you?

Especially since said daddy helped pres duck out of duty with little penalty...

I also hardly cite getting into trouble as a teen and then learning from those mistakes hardly a reason why I should hold something against someone running for president.

Let me guess...you were the perfect teen?

...you were an angel?

You NEVER EVER got into any type of any parts of any kind of trouble?

Not even once?

HOW BORING !!

You now what, the day a squeaky clean politician pops up, with nary a blemish, be afraid.


I got a stone for you if you got the 'nads to cast them.

<----got in trouble twice for staying after school to hang out with some buddies instead of going to an afterschool program. NEVER used drugs EVER in my life. NEVER drank before the age of 21 except for a sip of red wine at a family dinner. I was pretty squeaky clean and, I guess, boring.

What's really the point of people discussing Bush and his daughters...or Obama's admissions of drug use? Just another thing to keep us entertained as this boring campaign goes on? I wish the election would happen and someone would take office already. I'm starting not to care who takes office. Yawn.

So you'll be voting for a recovered druggie over a man with a valiant service record, yes or no? How important is somebody's service record to you?
P.S. I wasn't a perfect teen, but I've never done drugs because I believe they hurt our country immensely.

Oh my god, if *I* say he's not voting for McCain will it end this annoying back-and-forth?????

;)

Nittany...I don't think they have caught it...if they have been paying attention to any of my posts since January, they would have gotten it by now.

Knucklehead number one: SEC
HEELLLLLSSS no...I am NOT voting for McCain...ever...how many more clues do you need

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Knucklehead Number 2: PhiGam

I never got into much trouble as a teen..but I had my issues...never did drugs, drank twice...didn't agree with me. Was also around other teens who did stuff got into trouble and became some very respectable adults... saw some kids that were also goodie 2 shoes who made a mess out of life...and guess what....THAT'S LIFE !


So, you ready for that stone to cast now ?

O yeah...recovered junkie...? Ummm wasn't Bush voted TWICE into office?

Not my fault your own reading skills over the last month (and appraently since you didn't read my last post) have been lacking.

I just wanted you to clarify that military service is not important to you when you choose a leader- you just enjoy trashing people with views that aren't like your own. I'm defending Bush here and I completely dislike the guy's policies and think he is a terrible president.

again PhiGam...if you have BEEN PAYING ATTENTION (go back to some of my posts from february and work your way forward) I am SURE somewhere in there YOU WOULD have seen that.

If he won't go on the record, I will: a President with a military service record is not a must for me. Commander in Chief of the armed forces is only one of the President's jobs, and if I had to choose between someone whose career was primarily in the military versus someone in civilian government, business or law, I'd prefer the latter due to what I feel is more applicable to the daily duties of the President and how he/she must relate to the American public and colleagues/branches of govt. The military of course gives men and women many transferable skills, but most Americans are not good little soldiers who appreciate an unquestionable leader - in fact, the way our goverment is set up is meant to prevent the kind of rank-and-file in the military. I'd rather have an intellectual with general legal, legislative and/or business experience that understands financial policy, constitutional rights, public policy, international business and relations, and most importantly, has the good sense to rely on the expertise of his/her select advisors and colleagues when he/she doesn't know the best course - especially in military matters, where I feel the generals, Pentagon and such are at the top of their game.

ETA: Though I made special note that Bush did not serve in combat, I did so because I felt he had no right to accurately describe "a day in the life" of a soldier at war and empathize with the troops he was speaking to. He may be able to sympathize, which he should, but he cannot empathize.