Being southern by birth does not automatically make you "fratty." There are plenty of guys from up north that would make solid additions to any respectable southern fraternity, we have guys from VA, NY, PA, MI, etc.
Thanks for cutting out the next part of my quote where I specified Big 10 and northern ACC schools...

The Steelers are not in the ACC. I don't know what the heck you're talking about.

It sounds like this discussion has been done to death and besides the entertainment factor, I don't see where this is going to go. I think most of those of us who went greek in northern schools recognize we had a different experience than many in our fraternal chapters down south. And speaking for myself, I'm extremely OK with that. I also recognize that had I gone to a southern school instead, I may not have been greek, based on what I've heard and the fact that I'd never heard of a "rec" until I was rushing on the INSIDE sophomore year. And I'm definitely OK with that too. So enjoy your "fratty" world and understand that we in the north had just as positive greek experiences as you are having, just different and appropriate to our schools and part of the country. And that's OK. Now go iron your slacks.

ETA: And I guess to 'answer' your 'question', yes, there were well-dressed guys in fraternities at Penn State, but it wasn't more prevalent than guys that wore letters. We used the word "preppy" then, though, NEVER "fratty" -- I can't imagine a fraternity man wanting to be called that...

Sorry, didn't mean to misquote you. I thought you really did want to know if there were any "fratty" northern chapters. I don't have much experience with the Big 10 or the ACC so I was just contributing what I knew from experience.

It certainly doesn't! There are pretentious people obsessed with status and material things (and only barely concealing their uglier prejudices) in every corner of the world!!

Was that at UMD by any chance? That sounds like us.:o

Shouldn't a moderator be a little less judgemental. You talk about these prejudices, which is exactly what you have against me for being a member of a southern fraternity.
I'm signing off to catch a plane to Michigan, where people are TRULY shallow and pretentious. People think I'm weird because I wave to people and am generally nice and outgoing towards EVERYONE.
I have never seen a message board moderator be as ridiculous as you, while many of the members on this board may agree with what you are saying (I hope they don't) you have insulted me and, in all likelihood 25% of the members of this site.

Here's a difference for you: KA at Maryland is heavily Jewish, African-American, and Asian-American.

It has nothing to do with you being a member of a southern fraternity. It has EVERYTHING to do with you acting like your chapter and Greek system is the closest thing to heaven and any chapter/system above the Mason-Dixon is shit for really stupid reasons. Trust me, there are Northern people on this board who have the same type of attitude and they've gotten called on it (by me and other people) as well.

If you like dressing up on a daily basis and the fact that your house looks like something from Gone With The Wind and stuff like that, no one cares. But when you point it out and act like what you wear on your back or where you live makes you better or more committed to your fraternity, you come across as a superficial asshat.

You're going to get me fired for laughing out loud at work, lol!:p

I had to quote this for posterity. I couldn't believe that he wrote the part about Michigan and then followed it up with how someone else had insulted 25% of the members on this site!

I would guess that what 33girl has against you is that you tried to re-start a conversation that has been had already, and one that you acknowledged in your original post did not have a pleasant outcome. And to top it off you attempted to re-start the conversation under the guise of "a discussion" but what you really did was start a better than/worse than of fraternity life: North vs. South.

This always gets my goat. Since when is Virginia the north; it was at one point the seat of the Confederacy.

'nuff said. thread closed.