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ladygreek 07-20-2007 03:00 PM

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Originally Posted by ARTISTKNOWNASBE (Post 1488795)
IStill, I guess I could have saved this argument for another thread. I just felt that the councilman's words were a little strong. The drug dealer is at the bottom of the "so called" trash food chain. Therefore, he gets to be called trash. What do we call the people responsible for flooding the community with dope, "Boys gone wild"?

How do you know that this Councilman would not be calling them trash, too? And quite possibly if ol dude had been white the Councilman still would have referred to him as trash. We are talking about one person calling another person trash because of his heinous behavior. Not everything or every utterance is about race.

ladygreek 07-20-2007 03:03 PM

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Originally Posted by ARTISTKNOWNASBE (Post 1488818)
NO THAT MUST BE WHAT YOU ARE ASSUMING. CAUSE I NEVER SAID THAT. MAYBE YOU SHOULD READ WHAT I SAID. THEN GET BACK WITH ME...

THE REASON WHY PROMISCOUS BLACK WOMEN ARE REFERRED TO (BY SOME PEOPLE) AS WHORES IS BECAUSE OF INDOCTRINATION, IGNORANCE, AND UNAWARENESS OF SELF. I DON'T HAVE TIME TO GO OVER THAT WITH YOU...

No need to yell. I have heard all promiscuous women referred as whores by some people.

ladygreek 07-20-2007 03:11 PM

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Originally Posted by TonyB06 (Post 1488838)
I think the councilman's comments were out of line. If that's how he feels and wants to express his sentiment in those terms, then do so via personal means. Call him, write him personally.

But as a ward represenative of the city, he owes it to his constitutency, and by extention, to the rest of Cleveland, to conduct himself on a higher level.

No matter the noble indignation of his intent, his letter was beneath the dignity of his office.

Which goes to my point. I would rather have a council representative who isn't too dignify or high and mighty to still do the dirty work. But then maybe it is because in certain wards here in the city we tend elect representatives who do just that.

lovelyivy84 07-20-2007 03:27 PM

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Originally Posted by TonyB06 (Post 1488838)
I think the councilman's comments were out of line. If that's how he feels and wants to express his sentiment in those terms, then do so via personal means. Call him, write him personally.

But as a ward represenative of the city, he owes it to his constitutency, and by extention, to the rest of Cleveland, to conduct himself on a higher level.

No matter the noble indignation of his intent, his letter was beneath the dignity of his office.

I understand his intent and certainly his frustration, but fully agree with this. It was lowering himself.

ETA: I also kinda don't trust it. NO politicians are spontaneous or off the cuff anymore- they plan each and every statement and move to appeal to the press and their constituency. This comes off as slightly disingenuous, and pandering in an attempt to come off as hard on crime.

ARTISTKNOWNASBE 07-20-2007 03:35 PM

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Originally Posted by ladygreek (Post 1488914)
How do you know that this Councilman would not be calling them trash, too? .

Because they didn't get letters sent to them.
Because they weren't told that the best place for them is prison or a funeral home.
Because they are NOT black and poor.
Personally, I think it's because they didn't tell him to kiss thier black azz.

Again, I applaud him for getting drug dealers off the streets.
But if you are going to refer to him as trash,
then you need to see the bigger trash.
Or does he only see the black poor ones?

Poor drug dealers don't pass unfair laws.
Poor drug dealers don't send thousands of people to die.
Poor drug dealers don't make millions of dollars importing drugs
and then point the finger at drug dealers.
Poor drug dealers don't falsely accuse and then imprison blacks.
But why are they the only ones who get to be called "trash"?

The councilmen felt BOLD enough to call him that and sent him a letter, because poor people have few to zero rights in this country.

There is absolutely nothing funny or dignified about that letter.
Still, as someone pointed out earlier, this double standard will never be resolved in GreekChat.com. So on that note...

TonyB06 07-20-2007 03:38 PM

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Originally Posted by ladygreek (Post 1488920)
Which goes to my point. I would rather have a council representative who isn't too dignify or high and mighty to still do the dirty work. But then maybe it is because in certain wards here in the city we tend elect representatives who do just that.

ok, let's shift the representative parallel a bit.

how many people would be comfortable if the head of their NPHC organization authored a similar letter, under approximate circumstances?

TonyB06 07-20-2007 03:40 PM

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Originally Posted by lovelyivy84 (Post 1488934)

ETA: I also kinda don't trust it. NO politicians are spontaneous or off the cuff anymore- they plan each and every statement and move to appeal to the press and their constituency. This comes off as slightly disingenuous, and pandering in an attempt to come off as hard on crime.

you sensed that possibility too, huh? :cool:

OneTimeSBX 07-20-2007 03:46 PM

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Originally Posted by lovelyivy84 (Post 1488934)

ETA: I also kinda don't trust it. NO politicians are spontaneous or off the cuff anymore- they plan each and every statement and move to appeal to the press and their constituency. This comes off as slightly disingenuous, and pandering in an attempt to come off as hard on crime.

that could be true. however, i personally would never have done that. mainly because no matter how deep in jail this hoodlum is, aaaallll his friends are still out, running the streets. you know how young black men are about "respect". they'd just as soon pop a cap in said politicians azz for disrepecting their boy...

TonyB06 07-20-2007 03:51 PM

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Originally Posted by OneTimeSBX (Post 1488945)
that could be true. however, i personally would never have done that. mainly because no matter how deep in jail this hoodlum is, aaaallll his friends are still out, running the streets. you know how young black men are about "respect". they'd just as soon pop a cap in said politicians azz for disrepecting their boy...

... Not in Cleveland. Now, if you "disrespect" CT4 you may wind up in Lake Erie, but otherwise you should be good.

OneTimeSBX 07-20-2007 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by TonyB06 (Post 1488949)
... Not in Cleveland. Now, if you "disrespect" CT4 you may wind up in Lake Erie, but otherwise you should be good.

sorry, not familiar with Cleveland...i live in Richmond, one of THE top cities for crime in the US. they arent too picky here, they'll kill you over anything...hence i have lost 5 friends in the past year and a half :(

pinkies up 07-20-2007 05:00 PM

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Originally Posted by ARTISTKNOWNASBE (Post 1488937)
Because they didn't get letters sent to them.
Because they weren't told that the best place for them is prison or a funeral home.
Because they are NOT black and poor.
Personally, I think it's because they didn't tell him to kiss thier black azz.

Again, I applaud him for getting drug dealers off the streets.
But if you are going to refer to him as trash,
then you need to see the bigger trash.
Or does he only see the black poor ones?

Poor drug dealers don't pass unfair laws.
Poor drug dealers don't send thousands of people to die.
Poor drug dealers don't make millions of dollars importing drugs
and then point the finger at drug dealers.
Poor drug dealers don't falsely accuse and then imprison blacks.
But why are they the only ones who get to be called "trash"?

The councilmen felt BOLD enough to call him that and sent him a letter, because poor people have few to zero rights in this country.

There is absolutely nothing funny or dignified about that letter.
Still, as someone pointed out earlier, this double standard will never be resolved in GreekChat.com. So on that note...


What style of poetry would this be guys?

Little32 07-20-2007 05:19 PM

My thoughts are, sometimes a dumba** needs to be called a dumba**, though I don't know that this man should be the one to do it. I agree with whoever posted that his momma should have been saying to him that long ago.

ladygreek 07-20-2007 07:21 PM

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Originally Posted by TonyB06 (Post 1488940)
ok, let's shift the representative parallel a bit.

how many people would be comfortable if the head of their NPHC organization authored a similar letter, under approximate circumstances?

Apples and oranges.

ladygreek 07-20-2007 07:23 PM

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Originally Posted by OneTimeSBX (Post 1488945)
that could be true. however, i personally would never have done that. mainly because no matter how deep in jail this hoodlum is, aaaallll his friends are still out, running the streets. you know how young black men are about "respect". they'd just as soon pop a cap in said politicians azz for disrepecting their boy...

Now you do have a point there.

BlueReign 07-21-2007 12:46 AM

This is why I can't go into politics. I can just see myself writing something exactly like this. Even though that's somebody's child, this "boy" is now a man.


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