Like I said, the two most common reasons seem to be they were either rejected from their D9 of choice or they were disillusioned with the D9 they joined. Fine. But, if you (the general you) are going to be all :mad: with the D9 for what ever reason, then don't go start your org and mimic the D9. You do you for the reasons that inspire you. And, if your reasons are so different from the D9 then your true uniqueness will shine through. You won't have to go around looking for reasons to justify your org.

You do realize that every D9 org. was founded to go against the then existing grain?

awww come on now...sweetie I wasnt born yesterday...

Sigma Pi Phi and then Alpha Phi Alpha was created out of that very reason...the Prince Hall Masons...one of the very reasons why frats and sororities also exists was created because whites found ways to keep black lodge members out

just like I know that 22 of the AKAs seceeded because they couldn't see eye to eye on the direction of the sorority at that time and thus your sorority was created...please don't try to insult my intelligence....just because I am in a younger org doesn't mean I am not knowledgable about the 9.

I have to agree with this. I can understand wanting to start your own organization but I don't understand why anyone would want to mimic those that they are trying so hard NOT to be like, unless they are going to add something unique.

Um, first of all I am not your sweetie and second, compared to me you were born yesterday. Lastly, I was responding to your post, so if my response insulted your intelligence that speaks more to your post than mine.

Interesting topic. I wonder what things will be like in 50 years?

With the Latino, Asian, and Black populations all increasing more than the White population, I wonder whats going to happen?

Could be some interesting things happening in Greek Life.

if you are going to ask the questions of mimicing...then u have to then ask your orginal founders WHY they created their orgs...as another question i am so commonly asked....and I am SURE somewhere along the line ..WHY on GOD'S green earth would a BLACK person join a GREEK LETTERED organization and not an African one.....and yet...it's a valid and fair question. It's not like the 9 did anything different than newer GLO's are doing...they got grief for wanting to do something and for various reasons they didn't find it among what was already present and made the decision to branch out and carve thier own niche....it's like trying to tell someone that there are only 9 things in life you can ever hope to be and out of those 9 you can only truly choose one without giving that person the benefit of saying....well I know that there is more to this world than 9 choices.....just like your founders made the choice to start soemthing of thier own and no matter 'how unique' they are supposed to be, they / we all serve the same purpose....THAT is the bottom line.


The only thing that divides us are our colors and our symbols....take that away and what else are we.....

Bottom Line: Most of us joined our respective organization to in some capacity serve the communites in which we live right?

Last time I checked...I did

And truthfully? Bottom Line?

I could just as easily do without and did it either on my own or as an individual..but as just another gardener out here...nothing gets cultivated without extra hands...questio is...who else's hands do you trust to help you?

Read my quote at the bottom of this page please....define that for yourself because when it comes right dfonw to it, that is how I feel about Greekdom.

Well, actually, it has been my understanding that Greek life really had its founding in the Free Masons and Phi Beta Kappa.

It terms of mimicing I am referring to the fact that many of these newer groups take all the characteristics that are commonly associated with the D9 like stepping/strolling, hand signs, calls, line names/numbers, symbols, colors - then say, well we are different. I don't mention rituals because I don't know the rituals of these orgs, nor of the others, but it would not surprise me if some of these newer groups 'borrowed' aspects of established groups. I'm just sayin';)

I have no problem that these new orgs exist. Great. Maybe we do need more choice. But, at the same time I get the feeling that you feel compelled to explain why your org exists. As long as you do you, then you won't find yourself on a message board asking why you and others made the choice (other than the D9) that you did.

^^ And from the sites that I perused yesterday, because of reading some of these threads, it seems like a lot of these orgs are mimicking the most superficial qualities. It seems like the focus is having a call, symbols, and colors. So in that way, these groups are merely a shade of the D9 orgs they imitate, because of how peripheral those elements really are to our organizations.

Oh and I would have to disagree with the statement that the D9 orgs are all fundamentally the same. We do have one purpose in common, but that purpose is not our only purpose. Also, our approaches as to how best achieve that purpose, basically the philosophies of our organizations, are very different as is evidenced by the type of programming that the different organizations offer. Again, to make such a statement suggests only a superficial understanding of the D9.

kewl...I can deal with that... let me hit you with this too...it's been a min since I really deep checked in and really saw that there are a lot of newer orgs popping up and at such high rates too...thus that was why I asked the question. You may know like I do, that once u really get out of school some of that really doens't concern you because you barely have enough time to keep up with what your own,(Work, Family yadda yadda) Thus when I foun dthis board along with some of the info one of my frat sent me, I was like ....WWWWOOOOOOOWWW...there are a lot of other folks who are going in other directions than whats already available... this was kind of apparent when I went up to Morgan a few years ago and peeped the handbook and saw the list of non NPHC orgs....so I wonder like some of you wonder and you don't learn anything without asking. And yeah you got some that are so non creative that the best they could do was slap a new coat of paint on thier org and calling a GLO...and you have some others that saw a void and filled it.

I am simply curious about anything that is new..but I sometimes find it easier to explain who I am first and set the table so that others can feel at ease joining in

No one can ever understand where ya going if they can't see where ya coming from....ya dig?

Glad I read ahead. :rolleyes:

You're the only one talking about KAZO because you're obsessed with it.

I was talking about you as a ridiculous entity.

I guess that was supposed to be charming or something.

I'll tell you as I did Starang (and ladygreek if need be).

This isn't Kazo, keep your personal jabs to yourself. You want a convo with me, cool; stick to the issues and leave the personal barbs out of it.


(one thing I learned about Kazo folk is that they can't carry a civil e-convo with anybody unless someone is kissing their behind).

Or I'll continue to type to you however I want and let you deal with it.

Don't pretend like your ridiculousness began with KAZO. It began HERE and you carried it to KAZO. But YOU keep bringing up KAZO because you're pressed about it.

I took you more seriously when you were just an APOer who thought you knew everything about the NPHC. Now that you think you've upgraded, I'm humored beyond repair.