No, I won't say it's a conspiracy if Gore wins because Al Gore's brother isn't the governor of the state holding things up. Come on now. 50 states. Florida's polls were some of the first to close. Jeb Bush is governor. They're still counting ballots. The Bushes would be crazy not to think people would be suspicious. We know how families favors for each other. They probably didn't think it would come down to Florida being the deciding vote and all eyes would be on them.

Yes, it will still be a conspiracy if Gore wins. It will just be a failed conspiracy.

You have your own people? I thought that was illegal since the civil war! http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/smile.gif Seriously though, They gave FL to Gore after less than half of the state reported in! How could you base that big of a state off of that? Isn't one of Gore's advisors high up in FL government? That's what I heard anyway. I don't see what was so confusing about the ballot in Palm Beach. There is NO reason for a revote. If someone was confused by the ballot, they should have asked for assistance. I don't argue with the recount though, if ANY state is that close, it should definitely be recounted. The media shouldn't say so and so is president within a couple hours after a few exit polls. Gore shouldn't have conceded though, if it was that close.

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Rose-Hulman Inst. of Tech.

When Gore conceded he thought that there was a 12,000 vote difference and the media had called the state for Bush. So basically he was in the same situation dubya had been in a few hours earlier. I don't fault him, because he was misinformed.

That's what you get for listening to the media http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/smile.gif

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Steve Corbin
Lambda Chi Alpha
Theta Kappa Chapter
Rose-Hulman Inst. of Tech.

I was watching a show yesterday that let people call in and voice their opinion. One woman said that when she was in the booth and she accidently punched Pat B., she asked for a new ballot. They gave it to her of course. However, when she and her busband were driving home, she was telling him how confusing the ballot was and how she marked Pat instead of Gore and why she made the mistake, her husband realized he did the same thing, but didn't realize the mistake until that moment. By then it was too late. So I don't think a whole lot of people realized they made a mistake or were confused, they just didn't realize until the info about the confusing ballot came out. Also, I heard that it WAS reported that people were getting confused about the ballot and the people helping with the election did nothing about it. They just let people go in and vote and didn't explain anything. I think that when it was reported, the people helping should have posted signs or something in the booths explaining that part of the ballot. I also heard that part of the voting process in FL was done by computer and that the elderly people coming in either left because they didn't know how to work the computer or ended up voting wrong because they didn't know how to use the computer. They couldn't ask for help because then their vote would become void--since nobody can help you vote.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by LadyAKA:
WHAT????????? - CHILD PLEASE!!!!

If I came on here and called you a "child" then you would be furious. I am not a child - I am an adult with an informed opinion and that is something that everyone, not just certain (read "my") people have the right to! State your opinion, but do not act like you are the only one entitled to do so.

At least I have stated my opinion in reference to the issues, and have not started the name calling. We all have our beliefs, religious and otherwise - so deal with it when people disagree with you rather than reacting with hatred and name calling.

"you kill them off first and apologize later. I am now not attacking bush, but your comment on the death penalty!!!"

I have never killed anyone, thank you. This is my opinion on the death penalty.

Please feel free to email me personally if you would like to further discuss our philosphical differences. I will be respectful of your right to your opinion if you are respectful of my right to my opinion.

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This is not true of where I live - we also used the computer and when I marked "Bush/Cheney" it lit up. But then, when I tried to mark a different section of the ballot, my vote changed from Bush to Gore. I immediately grabbed one of the procters and told her the problem and she herself changed my vote back and watched until I finished to make sure it didn't mess up again. She also said that had been a problem all day. So it isn't just people voting for Gore who are getting screwed up, I just happened to re-check my ballot before voting (which everyone should do regardless since its too late once the button is pushed). I think that this stuff is way too technological - there were also elderly people staring at the computers because they didn't know what to do with it. Just like that punch ticket thing...just give me a pen and the ballot and I'll mark it myself. I will say that it is true that the Elections Board director of that county in FL with the punch ticket thing is a democrat and he has stated repeatedly that the sample ballot was issued, and that there were no problems with it before. He also said that even though he is a Democrat, he does not see how it was confusing because the arrows point to the number beside the name.

Also - Bush did not ask for a recount. It is the law that less than 1/2 of 1% automatically gets a recount. People are getting their stories confused because this has been piped out through the media in all sorts of ways.

By the way - I can respect the fact that we can all have different opinions, but lets stick to the issues and not get personal with each other. Thank you!

AXO Alum,

Thanks for the correction. Like I said, I had heard that, but hey, I'm in West Virginia. That news had to travel and I know that we've all played that 'telephone' game before where you start a sentance and whisper it to your neighbor and when it ends up at the last person it's totally different than what was originally said. I always thought that if someone watches you vote, that your vote became void and that's why they had the dividers and curtains, but hey I'm obviously wrong. From what you said, it sounds like the voting process with the computers was just totally messed up. I did see the ballot on TV where people voted for Pat B. instead of Gore. It was kinda confusing. You really had to look at it. I thought it was because usually people read down one page first and then the next like a book. When they saw Gore's name and saw he was second, they automatically punched the second hole. Then skipped over the second page because they skimmed it and saw the two other candidates that they weren't going to vote for. So I can see how it could have been confusing or misread.

Wouldn't you really want to look at it, before you just punched some number? I think if nothing else, voting would be something to take serious, and make sure of what you were doing, besides this ballot had been used before, and there were never any lawsuits over it, at least as far as I know.

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Steve Corbin
Lambda Chi Alpha
Theta Kappa Chapter
Rose-Hulman Inst. of Tech.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by AXO Alum:
[b][QUOTE]Originally posted by LadyAKA:
WHAT????????? - CHILD PLEASE!!!!

If I came on here and called you a "child" then you would be furious. I am not a child - I am an adult with an informed opinion and that is something that everyone, not just certain (read "my") people have the right to! State your opinion, but do not act like you are the only one entitled to do so.

AXO Alum-
Based on my experience, this is just a phrase, slang, expression or whatever term would describe this. I don't think the intention was to call you an actual child.

LadyAKA-
If I am wrong, please let me know and I apologize if I misinterpreted your use of this phrase.

What I'm hearing from most people who voted for Bush is that they voted for him because he is about putting responsibility in the hands of the people, people responsible for their own money, their own outcome. Which is all fine and dandy but what about those people who by no fault of their own, can't support themselves? What about people who for some reason, life gave them a bad deal? Not because they are lazy, maybe depression or loss of an arm or something...I mean you never know. What some people fail to realize is that those of us who are able to go to work everyday, achieve our goals and make a living for ourself, we are FORTUNATE. We are BLESSED. Any time, any day, God can choose to take you out (for lack of a better word) and you can be just like that person on the corner, who doesn't have food on the table or a home to go to.

Now, for the people out there who are just plain LAZY and don't want to go out and do for themselves, have been on welfare for the past 20 years, yes, something needs to be done about that. All of my hard earned money doesn't need to go to some couch potato. But for the people who do need it, we can't take it away from them.

I just don't see Bush having any compassion for anyone except rich people or himself. That is the actual factual. Another thing I don't like about Bush are his views on education...how are you going to use PUBLIC money to fund PRIVATE education? Not fair at all. And for those schools that are doing poorly, why not investigate the reasons why it's doing so poorly and invest money to improve those situations? Not take money away. That's just ass backwards to me.

Bush is obviously anti-women, anti-affirmative action, anti-civil rights, anti-abortion and the list could go on and on. He's basically anti-anything unless you're rich and you're a male. And for those of you who disagree, let's just see the state of the world in 2003.

a little news from florida.....offically as of 6pm tonight with 53 out of 67 counties reporting their is a 1200 vote difference between Bush and Gore, however the networks are saying that 11 other counties have been contacted and have finished their recounts bring the difference between Bush and Gore to 362 votes with 64 out of 67 counties. As far as I have heard the 3 counties not reporting are 2 in southern florida (one containing the confusing ballots, where a hand count will begin saturday morning) and pinellas county (in the Tampa Bay area) where several vote from the highly democratic southern district of the county were not originally counted and several votes from the morthern republican portion of the county were counted twice.
Just thought you all might like to know what we floridians were hearing first thing.

.....another update.....as of 7:15 with 65 out of 67 counties reporting Bushs' lead is only 225 votes. Manatee and Seminole counties have yet to report

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Someone correct me if I'm wrong - cause I'm all the way in Cali and news from Florida can get twisted by the time it reaches us http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/smile.gif, but as far as the ballots being confusing, for the most part the only people that have been really complaining have been the elderly, right? I saw the ballot-and to me (I'm 24) its pretty self explanatory, but I can see how an EIGHTY YEAR OLD WOMAN might have been lost!! Hell, some elderly dont know how to lock a window!

Conspiracies..... Lies...... Cover-ups..... GOD DOES NOT LIKE UGLY! And he will make things right. With the power of prayer, anything and everything is possible.

GORE 107%!!!

Prettypoodle6
**Praying that the next president will NOT be the one that has organizations like the KKK as supporters.......

Laughing out load @ Little32's comment on 'It will just be a failed conspiracy' and Corbin Dallas about 'me having my own people', I am glad people still have a sense of humor!!

To AXO Alum, I am sorry you took my message out of context .... as c&c1913 stated it was meant as a type of slang, not to demeanor you. See that is what I am afraid of I am sure that Bush, as you did, will not be able to handle the complexity of ALL people!! As for your opinion, I agree you have a right to it, it may be ass backwards, but you do have a right and I am not the one to take it away from you, Bush is in charge of that(just joking, jeeeez). Right now I am a bit upset but I don't think i have resulted to hatred (such a harsh word) and name calling. All I said was Bush is a ****, you filled in your own word. This is really not a fight or argument between you and I, it is about our views, sorry if you felt I rained on your parade, didn't mean to, really!! I just don't see how you think, you or bush was so well versed on the issues, but maybe it is my oversight.

And about the death penalty and what I wrote before (i.e. you kill them and then apologize)....come I did not directly mean you, but it that not how the system works most of the time, we are not always sure of who we punish, Murder is wrong either way, by abortion or capital punishment ...it is all wrong. I can't argue with you any more - a stress headache is setting in.

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