No one is fighting each other, we are simply different. We take each others sides in everything. There is a difference between old row and new row. There is no "old" or "new" row on my campus, but there IS a noticeable difference between fraternities founded before say 1910 and fraternities founded after.

I wonder if most alumns are embarrassed with your spelling?
However, we do not allow "scum or dirtbags" in, and if we do make the mistake they are kicked out early in pledging (or for fun, right after hellweek). We clean our own house without need from alumns, because we are responsible.

What does getting out in the real world have anything to do with chapter responsibility? Furthermore, who are you to say we haven't? Learn to spell and get back to me.

Enjoy it. Please don't return.

Yeah I'm kind of glad she's not here...The private school she refers to is New Jersey Tech, I'm pretty sure.

LET THEM EAT CAKE!

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Please tell me you only respond by posting pictures of cakes. Seriously, that would make you the best thing about this website, by far.

You don't know about Sheetcake? Terrible...go look at his posting history. Sheer brilliance. Or should that be sheet brilliance?

My daughter is a new Delta Zeta at the University of Alabama. Based on conversations with her, I believe an unofficial heirarchy or at least the appearance of one exists among Alabama sororities. The differences seem to be slight, though admittedly distinct. Nor are the distinctions necessarily bad. It appears that each sorority has its own unique reputation or character. Some may be a little more popular than the other, depending upon one's perspective. I think DZ was once Old Row, but no longer. I believe they have an excellent reputation at Bama despite the noted absence of Old Row designation. Surely every sorority and fraternity hold different reputations from campus to campus. You can't go wrong if you are Greek. period.

Just a few words from a DZ Dad who respect all fraternities and sororities...

You are correct and you write pretty well, so I'm pretty sure you're the only reasonable older person on the board. The hierarchy is more noticeable than you are privy to, but it is certainly there. I know a couple DZ's at Alabama, and they are great girls, so I'm sure your daughter's having a great time.

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All this talk about the old row got me to thinking about University of Alabama, my brother was a Sigma Nu at Alabama late 70's, we lived in Tuscaloosa right next to Indian Hills Country Club, my old man managed one of the biggest plants in town. Things do change guys, what about ATO, Phi Delt Kappa Sig all very good in the late 70's early 80's. Sig Ep went inactive in the mid 80's when their house burnt down. Chi Phi used to be good as well or so I've heard.
At UT Austin where I went to school same thing happened. Sigma Nu-founded 1887 was very good when I went there same for Pike-founded 1920, Beta -founded 1886. all are now gone or are much smaller. ATO was very good at SMU where I went to law school they've been gone for 11 years.
Bottom line, being old can make you good but the correlation is not 100% and things do change even in the tradition bound south.

Of course things will change. However, a non traditional fraternity on a traditional southern campus is still likely to struggle for quite a while.

You're kidding....they used to RULE the Machine. Guess times have changed.

I've never heard that before. Ever.

Up until a few years ago, to my understanding, they were a relatively quiet and smaller house.

Now if you said SAE, DKE, etc. I would have a better time believing that.

n/m. i dont remember posting this.

I'm on the same page as all of you. I'm a member of a top chapter at an SEC and come from a prominent southern family. I also support Fred Thompson. Unfortunately, I think we have a lot in common.

Although what you write is usually true, some of it is entirely inappropriate and very crude.
I hate the yankees coming down here and ruining everything too. I hate idealists who really think that every greek organization is equal. I hate that the traditions of southern greek life are not always accepted here.

But your comments benefit no one. Trash talking other groups is embarrassingly disrespectful, even if it is evident that what you write is true.

Do me a favor: start acting like gentlemen and display some sense of discretion.