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PhoenixAzul 10-19-2006 04:42 AM
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Originally Posted by SigmaPezY60 (Post 1341965)
Coming from a local sorority I can say a few things.

Not ALL locals exist because we don't like rules. We've got plenty of rules of our own. We just didn't like the kinds of rules and wanted to make our own. Most that exist were founded because they wanted to fullfill a need that had yet to be met on their campus by existing groups.

Also we don't exist so that we can get away with hazing. My sorority does not haze. Before making that assumption joking or not, you may want to take a look at the Risk Management Section of Greek Chat where you will find stories of many national organizations that have been caught hazing.

In my opinion the best benefits to being part of a national organization is the connection you have with other women/men accross the country because of the traditions of your organization. You may not like the image of another chapter, but you do share the same letters and traditions.

Also insurance. That's why national dues are so high. And insurance is a very big deal.
Thank you :).

SoCalGirl 10-19-2006 04:51 AM
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Originally Posted by macallan25 (Post 1342093)
You are correct about Texas FIJI.........and they are one of the two top houses on our campus. Its not going to hurt them in any way.....as someone was mentioning above. They are one of the wealthiest chapters I have ever seen and have an insane amount of prestigious alumni support. I would argue that they are easily the best chapter of FIJI in The South.
Does anyone know what happens to that wealth if a chapter goes local? I would think that it would stay with the national, so no matter how much cash they have they'd still start from scratch.

RU OX Alum 10-19-2006 08:45 AM
So Cal Girl, no, that money stays with the Alumni Corp or Alumni Assoc or which ever org. had it. They don't have to give it to nationals, but they don't have to give to the local guys.

as to original topic: no comment

33girl 10-19-2006 09:55 AM
I just realized ColumbiaPike means Columbia, SC. Duh, carry on :p

If you no longer believe in the goals and values of your national organization - you shouldn't be a part of it. Or you should work to change it.

tunatartare 10-19-2006 09:59 AM
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Originally Posted by 33girl (Post 1342191)
I just realized ColumbiaPike means Columbia, SC. Duh, carry on :p
I thought it was Columbia University.

33girl 10-19-2006 10:02 AM
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Originally Posted by KLPDaisy (Post 1342195)
I thought it was Columbia University.

That's what I thought at first too - hence the "duh" after I read some of his posts.

ISUKappa 10-19-2006 10:48 AM
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Originally Posted by SigmaPezY60 (Post 1341965)
In my opinion the best benefits to being part of a national organization is the connection you have with other women/men accross the country because of the traditions of your organization. You may not like the image of another chapter, but you do share the same letters and traditions.
And that's probably another big reason for disaffiliating from their (inter)national organization. There are some members who believe members in other chapters are douches so why be affiliated with them? The letters and traditions don't matter, it's the brotherhood you gained in the chapter, not the organization overall, that matters.
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I'm assuming by Big XII Elephant Walk meant Texas and possibly OU. None of the other schools in the conference "matter" as far as GLOs are concerned.

Elephant Walk 10-19-2006 11:05 AM
Correct, Big - 12 Texas, Oklahoma is pretty iffy as far as anything goes. Oklahoma greeks always get that north Dallas Trash.

g41965 10-19-2006 11:26 AM
Couple of things
 
First Greek life was stronger back in the late 1980's when I attended college and law school. Duke is now at 37% with the women in the low 40's men in the low 30%. In the late 1980's it was higher. I can admit when I'm wrong, however I believe my point stands, in the 1950's Dartmouth was 80% greek now its 50%, Amherst was 80% Greek now it's 10%. This happened after chapters went local. My point is this, when Greek Letter Fraternities go local at elite colleges is a decline in the system going to follow? Empircally the evidence seems to say yes. However are their alternate factors of causation such as changes in the student body etc. I don't know I think the "local" phenomana at elite schools is interesting. Note UVA has also had a trend some national fraternities go local.
On Tom's point about smaller schools my guess is William Jewell is a good school but has not hit that elitist stage that seems to drive Greeks at the the most selective colleges.

LPIDelta 10-19-2006 11:36 AM
National values should permeate, not necessarily be mirror exactly, throughout a chapter--if they don't, then maybe the group should be local.

Also, I would encourage a group to work with their national to change things that are unsatisfactory--sometimes, national orgs are not even aware of the issues with local chapters.

I didn't mean to imply before that all locals don't want to follow the rules--I was in a local and we didn't haze, we followed the rules (most of the time)etc. What I meant was that this particular group seems to not want to follow any rules but their own...and I guess in that case, paying for all those services and assistance really doesn't make sense.

Elephant Walk 10-19-2006 12:36 PM
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National values should permeate, not necessarily be mirror exactly, throughout a chapter--if they don't, then maybe the group should be local.
Completely correct. When the nationals preach liberalism, unsatisfactory pledge programs, untolerable rules and so on, the chapters should leave. The Kappa Sig's here are powerful enough to leave nationals.

LPIDelta 10-19-2006 01:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Elephant Walk (Post 1342325)
Completely correct. When the nationals preach liberalism, unsatisfactory pledge programs, untolerable rules and so on, the chapters should leave. The Kappa Sig's here are powerful enough to leave nationals.

Those weren't the values I was talking about....those things are programs, and that is completely different.

LaneSig 10-19-2006 01:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Elephant Walk (Post 1342325)
Completely correct. When the nationals preach liberalism, unsatisfactory pledge programs, untolerable rules and so on, the chapters should leave. The Kappa Sig's here are powerful enough to leave nationals.
Is that at Arkansas or LSU?

33girl 10-19-2006 01:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Heather17 (Post 1342365)
Those weren't the values I was talking about....those things are programs, and that is completely different.
But I believe EW is saying that he believes that the enaction of those programs shows that the organization no longer espouses the values they did previously.

To be really simplistic, if one of the values of your org is high scholarship and you enact a program that says you don't need a minimum GPA to join, that would say to me the org no longer cares about scholarship as a value.

macallan25 10-19-2006 01:45 PM
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Originally Posted by SoCalGirl (Post 1342122)
Does anyone know what happens to that wealth if a chapter goes local? I would think that it would stay with the national, so no matter how much cash they have they'd still start from scratch.
In FIJI's case.....no. They are pretty much already diasaffiliated. They are extremely wealthy. Nationals can't take away private donations and funding.


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