I know where 'Sigma Street' is. If you will notice, all this H.A.M. was started in your forum. So, to quote your soror,'Let it go, and move on'. I feel that this issue has been settled.

This isn't necessarily an issue that can/will be "settled" I just want to know people's opinions on all facets of greek life. That is, whichever part YOU feel is important. :D

just curious, of which "H.A.M." do you speak specifically?

This thread got off topic somewhere between pages one and two. Let me sum up:

See, you posted your original question, people responded.

Then, as part of my response, I indicated that part of greek life is having to deal with those members who, for some reason, violate / disobey the rules and regulations of the org. These are members that I refer to as renegade.

So, one person posted that she felt that we, as greeks, should not focus on the 'bad' members, and just go about the business of what the org is about.

I responded that, while I do agree with her, I also think those members who choose to not follow the guidelines of the org need to be dealt with.

Then, DSTCHAOS said that members of orgs 'should ignore the idiots, and go about sorority business', which I agreed to that also. But, to illustrate her point (DSTCHAOS') I referred her back to another thread (see 'Really!?!?!' in this forum) in which I was trying to do the same - 'ignore the idiot' of my org and such. Then DSTCHAOS said I did not know how to call a spade a spade, and that 'folks' will be happy when I do. And, I told her that I don't owe her or any other non-financial member of my org an explanation, blah, blah, blah.... But, ultimately DSTCHAOS and I come to a truce on this issue, I think.

Then, McCoyRed comes on and implies that I should go back to my own forum (SGR), to which I remind her that all of this H.A.M., as I understand to mean 'Hot @$$ Mess', has been going on in the DST forum and that the issue between DSTCHAOS and I has been settled, as far as I am concerned.

So, no, I was not talking about your original post. I was talking about the issue between me and DSTCHAOS.

Whew!!!

By "issue" I hope you mean topic of discussion. Just to be clear that there never was and isn't an ISSUE between us.

By 'issue' I do mean the back and forth that we, you and I, discussed. That is the issue that I am talking about. Or, I guess you could call it 'banter'.

I was not talking about the original topic.

lmao@ "whew", the funny thing is, I was thinking the same thing at the end of your statement, and had to refer back to earlier in your post quite a few times to keep the story "straight". Aight, uh, well, what can I say?! my bad ignore my earlier post?! lmao :D

o yeah, and thanx for the summary...and your input! ;)

guess it's not hard to figure out who's been keeping up with the post and who hasn't....dang shame, especially since I started it!

LOL...I'm just making sure that you know there isn't an ISSUE (i.e. problem, beef, etc.) between the two of us.

Okey dokey. :D

It's all sigmadiva's fault. :)

Oh yeah!! I did not mean it that way. Yeah, I know we were just going back and forth on a topic. ;)

No problem! :) GC does have it's own unique 'flow'. It took me a while to get used to it.

lmao yeah yeah, that's what they all say! ;)

HEY DS! :) Heard ya'll had fun in philly. :( *still salty because I couldnt make it*


But to answer the question,

I just hope that our orgs aren't sued out of existence in the next 10 years, either by overzealous interests, or overzealous sorority members.

I'm just trying to do my part in making sure my org stays around by keeping it active and financial. *shrug*

O don't be, we WILL be back! You know I'll use any "excuse" ;) to get out to Philly! I wanted to go back for the Penn Relays, but it'll be too early. it's usually the last week in april or first in may, and my finals don't end until May 19th, BUT, I'm game ANYTIME...maybe I'll even luck up and get an internship there next summer! :D

This is very true. In addition to what you've said, my own experiences with sisterhood in general have been positive and negative. Since I like to think for myself, speak my mind, and not follow people/trends for no particular reason, I've always had problems with cliques of women. I don't really consider these negative experiences as a 'greek' thing, though. I just get really disappointed when it happens among sorors, since we've made a point of joining a sisterhood.

On the other hand, I've met some really amazing sorors and I always look forward to going to meetings and conferences. I just love to be among my sorors! I live far from my chapter and there aren't many women of color at school with me, so when I go to these events, I go by myself. In spite of that, I always meet sorors who I feel like I've known for years. I always have a great time!! These positive experiences make up for the negatives. I think this is the way it will always be.

My Sands and I celebrated our 15th anniversary 4-8-1991 to 4-8-2006, and it's hard for me to say if things have changed. At least at our undergrad chapter tradition still lives on.:) I'm not sure if other chapters are pledging the same or not. I think a lot of greeks are getting into their organizations at some schools witout an actual pledge process because of the strict hazing laws. Nothing against greeks that get in that way, but I think it takes away a lot of great things to talk about with other greeks who had an actual pledge process. I pledged for 16 weeks which more than likely wouldn't go on today. I think things would be a lot better if pledging was still legal and was done above ground. I'm fortunate to say I saw the line before me pledge above ground. Pretty much all of the GLO in the Divine Nine pledged above ground then. I had never seen anything like it. I think non greeks who want to be greek are missing out on this. I think Greek life would be so much better with it. If anyone is interested you can see the lines at my chapter. Go to search and type in Kappa Alpha Psi Delta Zeta Chapter and click on the "Lineage" tab.