I heard it's even worse at a lot of the top boarding schools. Kids are there and everyone knows their dad is some dictator or sketch Arab and nobody's surprised if a student has ties to drug runners at deerfield.

-Rudey

does anyone know the nature of this guy's involvement with the taliban? or was he just an "official?"

and the US and russia actively pursued nazi rocket scientists for their own personal gain in the space race after WW2

http://www.pbs.org/wnet/secrets/case...sts/about.html

we still lost, though.


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No, I have no idea what she's going through, that's true. But I'm not saying she doesn't have the right to do it. All I'm saying is that, number one, if it were me, there is no way I would want to go make myself upset even more by watching that guy. That's just hurting yourself more. And number two, I don't care if she does it...I just think that if you are going to willingly put yourself through that much pain, you shouldn't complain about it. Just don't go. Grieve, talk about your husband, whatever, cause you couldn't stop that, and you need to let it out. But don't put yourself through more pain and expect others to feel sorry for you because of that. Like I said though, that's just my two cents...and I'm notoriously cold-hearted.

like, OMG - great response!

couple of quick points though -

i get what you're saying about the relationship between the taliban and al quaeda and i won't argue with you on their "badness" - but suggesting that ALL taliban members are card carrying members of al quaeda is like suggesting that all baptists are also members of the westboro baptist church or that all republicans are completely aware and supportive of bush - i can say that three ways if need be

i wasn't the one who brought up missile and atom bomb technology in regards to nazis - you just did. my reference to nazis was in regards to them leading their own country following the rebuilding after WWII.

i agree that any anger with the state department is separate -that was, in fact, my point. don't get angry at yale for letting the guy who is here legally take classes

i'm really not sure where the publicizing the info fits into any of my previous posts, so oh well...

as for labeling others - check what i posted because i did not label anybody, just the arguments - you on the other didn't seem to have a problem resorting to that tactic

and it is interesting that you think people in tennessee have no concept of xenophobia given the "isolation" - is there some kind of "coastal" requirement that i'm not privy to or what?

that comment makes no sense.

- marissa

Following WWII the idea that "I was just a member of the military/party and had to do what I was told" became unacceptable. You should read up on that. He was a member of a terrorist group, the Taliban. It's that simple. Whether he was an information officer or a liason to Al Quaeda, he supported the organization.

And it's funny how you simply did not get the fact that just because something was acceptable before does not mean it is now. The plans to de-Nazify Germany included plans to execute up to 100,000 German military officers following the war that didn't materialize. Another part of the de-Nazification was the Morgenthau plan, which would have severely punished Germany but wasn't undertaken due to political reasons. The years after WWII, it would be a joke to not realize the Allied control over Germany. There is no reason to allow this guy into Yale because he isn't needed to build rockets or to help the government run itself. There is NO comparison here. And even if you could come up with some bizarre comparison (which you haven't since there is no link), it doesn't mean it's justified unless you now believe genocide and slavery are acceptable.

You make no sense in any of your post. Once again, people are angry at Yale for letting him take classes there. You still think it's OK for that once someone is allowed into the country.

And you have no concept of xenophobia because you've used the term incorrectly, make no sense in your posts, and live in isolation in an area which has nowhere near the level of immigrant populations as the coastal states (similar to a dearth of bobsledders coming out of zimbabwe).

-Rudey
--Living in a hillbilly area just doesn't teach you those things.

maybe yale needed to fill their quota for former officials of a brutal islamist regime.

rudey, you know nothing about the hillbilly area that squirrely lives in, or what it teaches us.

if the Taliban Man decided to attend Austin Peay, i would hope that a soldier would come off the base and shoot him dead.

i admire the heart of the zimbabwan bobsled team and i wish them the best this summer at the FIFA World Cup soccer competition. i hope they pitch a no-hitter.

I went to TN once. My favorite interaction was at a sports bar/night club near the water in Nashville where a hot female bartender (wearing a shirt with camo) told me she was real close with her friend and then made out with her...then she pointed to an old man who looked like she knew him and said "I'm real close with my dad too".

I was pretty happy after the girl-on-girl kiss but that comment ruined everything.

-Rudey

while i certainly love a good debate, i generally try not to engage people who feel the necessity to name call - oh well though -

the history lesson, while well intentioned, isn't supporting your argument and comes across as a poor attempt to make yourself sound intelligent - btw, in case you didn't get the memo - wikipedia isn't the best source of info, try getting an actual degree in modern european history or i can pass along a reading list at your request.

IMMEDIATELY following WWII the "party member only" argument was, in fact, not acceptable. i agree with you here. however, after running out of acceptable people, the military did eventually give in and relax standards. additionally - the Morgenthau plan was an issue unto itself and had less to do with nazis and more to do with industrial capabilities, money, and fear. at any rate, it wasn't much worse than the post WWI reparations. i was thinking about discussing the marshall plan here but i thought it in poor taste as this wasn't what the original discussion was about (but doesn't it look really cool that i threw it out there?!?!)

and i am super stoked that your high-falutin' school taught you so much about geography and immigrant populations - as well versed as you are, i wonder when you had time to learn about all of the other things you post about?

at any rate - i live in a rather large military town and i'm not from tn originally

- marissa

ps - my state of residence has no bearing on your personality flaws

wikipedia? Get real. I mentioned the denazification because you brought it up (of course there was ZERO relation to this case). You also brought up my school and now my knowledge. Perhaps you've got some sort of complex :).

And it's awesome that you're able to skip over everything and not comprehend why you make no sense. Using your logic, slavery should still be allowed because it used to be legal and terrorists (and their supporters) that somehow legally got into the US, should do whatever they want.

It's funny how you didn't get it. I got it and so did several others in this thread :)

-Rudey
--And if you don't care that Yale let him in, you don't have to read this thread.

and it's really rockin' that you were able to get that from my logic - seeing as i didn't even hint that (assumed) terrorists or their supporters should do whatever they want, but rather that an american university can admit whomever they please (for better or for worse) - yippee for all of those pesky civil liberties!

take a minute and a deep breath and reevaluate your "interpretation" of my logic

- marissa
-- and if you do care that yale let him in, you don't have to read my posts

If he's in Yale, obviously an American university can admit him. Your comment, once again, makes no sense.

It's the fact that it upsets many of us that causes us to speak up about it. The whole issue is about foreign students that are allowed in with a wink and a handshake, and a whole lot of cash. Someone might not know this if they went to a bumpkin school.

And it's your logic that makes no sense. He was in a terrorist organization called the Taliban - one that is still around and still killing Americans. On top of that his being in the country does not make him innocent as a baby.

-Rudey

using this line of reasoning - how is this different from other students being admitted? would a whole lot of cash not get a member of the KKK in? what about the rapist without a felony record? so why is it an issue of FOREIGN students?

he may well not be innocent, but his nationality and former party affiliation should not prevent him from recieving an education if a university decides to give it to him

- marissa

"Rapist without a felony record..."????? How the hell do you know someones a rapist with no record and no registration as a sex offender.

Even if he did have a record...every admission form I have seen asks for any and all felony offenses. Being a rapist would probobly diminish your chances. Same with putting on your sheet that you are in the KKK.

Its not an issue of nationality, where did you get from? Its an issue of him being in the Taliban.....an organization that continues to plot and murder our countrymen everyday.

I totally understand. I also feel that we should understand why we are hated and why other would want to bomb us, but the fact that Yale did it 4 days after the 9/11 attacks is in poor taste. No, it more than just poor taste, it is wrong!! I was shock about the 9/11 attack for at least a week, and I didn't have any family near there. Now to think if i had family, i'd probably still be devastated. It was wrong of Yale to invite the family members of the victims to a meeting to explain, "you know your husband/dad/wife/sister/brother died because of the US..blah blah blah" Yeah, people need to know why, but not then! That was not the time.

But just because this man is in America, DOES NOT mean that Yale has to accept him. To give the man the "benefit of the doubt" is kinda wrong. I understand that maybe he is completely innocent, but you really want to risk it? Who knows, he might be genuine in wanting to take classes here, OR he might want to orchistrate more attacks here. Do you want to take the risk?

I might have felt better with this situation if the guy actually had remorse for his involvement, but the fact that he isn't repentant/remorseful or anything really concerns me. Who are we to say that he is a "former" taliban member. Just because the taliban is "broken up" DOES NOT mean that they are gone. They just have secret meetings, the members don't publicly announce their Taliban membership anymore. Its just like I believe that there is no such thing as a "former gang member" once your in a gang, your in it for life. If you want to "get out" you can't, you can walk away from it and not participate in it anymore, but you are still IN the gang. This guy is still IN the Taliban whether it is broken up or not.



Just on a little side note, i find it very interesting that the government will allow Taliban members to enter the US, but they won't allow immigrants to enter. Hmmmm, there is something a littl wrong with that :confused: ---of course that is a whole other issue altogether.