It really was.

"Maybe in journalism or liberal arts, but try and do that in difficult classes-calc, chem, physics, engineering, and your ass won't even make Ds. My profs don't care if you come to class, do homework, take notes etc. Everything is based on the three tests you take and possibly a project or two."

Well, at the risk of seeming to brag about my grades - I was in the Honors Program and a Geology major. In my pledge semester, which was also my first semester in college, I took 2 honors classes, an upper level spanish class, had weekly labs, and took Calc 2 - and I got a 3.7.

Besides, the pledge semester is not the difficult busy semester, IMO. It's when you're an upperclassman, on executive council, dealing with all the BS that goes on inside your org, trying to take the GREs, apply to grad schools, have a social life (since you're finally old enough to drink legally), find a job, take upper level classes in your major, finish your senior thesis, etc etc etc. I remember looking back on my pledge semester thinking, "man I had it easy back then!"

And in direct response to your comment, we don't all go to schools where profs only care about how you do on your 2 tests and 1 project. I went to a smaller school (less than 10,000 students) where I never had a class with more than 30 kids. So I had a participation grade for almost every class! And some of us who did take chem, physics, calc, geochem, geophysics, etc., we got good grades by going to class and actually listening to the lecture - what a concept!!

Sadly to say, the physical science and engineering deparments at the majority of universities (both public and private) will not give credit for attending lectures. The courses are very difficult and require excessive work outside of class, often for a low grade at the end. As a math/computer science major who is interested in law school, I have experience in a multitude of disciplines. I've taken the "hardest" english class, as well as very intensive history classes, and while the classes weren't easy, the workload was not comparable to my math/science/computer science courses.

That isn't to say that it isn't possible to get good grades in engineering and math/hard science courses. Just that it takes more than attending class to get a B. Going to the class and listening to lectures is vital for success (and comprehension of the material), but it's going to take a lot more work to actually get a decent grade in the class.

Back to the actual topic, my pledge quarter was also my best quarter for grades so far :). Although that also had to do with my courseload (it was my first quarter, so I only took three classes), and the fact that the courses I was taking came easy to me.

First of all, calculus is not hard, neither is physics....engineering is way too broad of a subject for you to generalize. What, Petroleum, Statics, Chemical, Aerospace, Electrical?

I have no need to take any of those classes because I am in law....and I make very good grades....and many of the classes that you probobly think are blowoff can actually be quite difficult.

Maybe in high school calculus and physics weren't hard, but you said you don't take those classes in college(correct me if I'm wrong. I'm pretty you you would not get an easy A in a course such as organic chemistry or genetics. Just about everyone does. I'm sure you're smart, but take Biochem at a school like UVa and I'm sure you will be challenged to some extent.

I think that getting good grades can be more difficult for anyone that's involved. We had study hours when I was pledging and it was helpful. Overall, my time management skills improved during pledging which was a huge help!

Should have clarrified a little more. I had took chem and calc I and II for requirements. Not that difficult. But I am sure that organic and biochem are pretty damn hard. I toop AP organic in highschool and it was definitely a bitch.

Ummm... there's no AP organic.

http://www.collegeboard.com/student/.../subjects.html

Thanks for telling me what I took in high school. Would you like to tell me anything else about my self that I don't know?

I took AP Organic Chem II in highschool.....I really don't give a flying shit what website you throw up there. College Board or not.

Being that College Board administers and runs the AP exams... i'd tend to give them some credibility.

again, if you would like to tell me more about myself that I do not know....but you do, feel free.

The only Chem AP is AP Chemistry, that's it. No organic and no Chem II. Maybe you took some sort of non-AP organic chem class or there was an organic chem unit, but there is no separate organic chem unit and there wasn't when I was in high school either.

Holy God...........you people are unbelieveable. Could yall tell me what I'm going to do tonight, or maybe whats going to happen to me in a few years.

HEY! Calm down, just admit you were wrong. I'm sure it's happened before in your life!

I know exactly what I took in high school.

I'm enjoying an afterglow......

......and thinking how stupid you sound desperately trying to convince people you weren't lying. I wouldn't worry about it, it's not as if people here respect you anyway.



(and, yes, I know I'm not respected either.) The difference is that I don't care.