If that's all you are concerned about, it's already happening - magazine subscriptions are going bye bye and while I'm sure it pisses off some people, it pisses off way fewer people than a merger would.

And if you merge, you have to realize (especially at this juncture) you'll lose lots of alumni support.

I see sororities getting out of NPC and recruiting and running on their own terms - and possibly forming an alternate type of conference - before they would ever merge.

mergers, absorptions, etc.
 

think we have somewhat covered this now but it is highly unlikely that Kappa Kappa Gamma would merge or absorb or join or take
in an outfit like Theta Nu Xi or some other one without the same
general tenets. The old NPC traditional sororities would hardly go
for the streetcar colleges, many extensions or glorified shopping
center outfits, hen's clubs, houseless groups, and so on. Nothing
at all akin....we have watered down much of the traditional life styles and the new ones have entirely different, but not necessarily inferior aims. But smaller ones, those with less than a
hundred chapters or those weak in some areas, strong in others,
like KD, AOPi, Alpha Xi, Phi Mu might come together as they are in
essence, like organizations. But do not look for Theta to go to AR
Tech or WV State. Nothing stated here to belittle or make light of
existing outfits, so those of you who are all out of breath over this
assessment, go take a shower.
The men's groups, well, same, but there are not as many of those
NIC ones who vary a lot from the other. The Asian, Black, Latino ones I would not look for doing anything but occasionally merging
with each other. They would not fit, say, Beta Sigma Psi or Phi
Mu Delta, let alone Beta or Sigma Chi. No cheap shots here either.
But us biggies are not interested in taking in a potful of outfits who have no housing or who have no aspirations other than to
seemingly "preserve the heritage." Har har har de har har.
Fraternities and sororities are not rehabilitation centers nor are
they non-elitist. We have already gone overboard and I would not be surprised to see a swing back. Perhaps we oughta give a
PhD at birth and then get on with living.

ditto. Any valid information or insight you may have, Erik, is lost.

hen's clubs
 

hen's clubs are not collegiate but wannabees. You cannot seem
to grasp this.

Re: hen's clubs
 

They don't "wannabe" anything. They are a different kind of sorority - they don't "wannabe" in NPC nor do they "wannabe" on every college campus. By your definition, the Junior League and Eastern Star are "wannabes" also.

They just don't happen to like being called hens clubs. I doubt that the Masons or Kiwanis would like being called stag clubs!

Re: Hens
 

It would be one thing if this was just a random reference. But he repeatedly calls these groups hen clubs, even after members of those groups have asked him not to, and explained to him that it was offensive.

It's not shot to hell, it's just a bit sidetracked and i'm sure it will go on. Find me an internet discussion board where threads don't go off topic at times.

/hijack

Re: Hens
 

That was a HIGH SCHOOL sorority (that even you put in quotes as if it wasn't real). Plus, they CHOSE to call themselves that.

Erik is referring to groups that are made up of grown women who do not like this label.

Re: Re: hen's clubs
 

I don't know, I think being called a stag club would be funny.

who are they?
 

I do not think I identified any group, per se, as wannabees or hens clubs. Take your pick...
The term 'hens clubs' was never pejorative. Never. Duh
There are all kinds of clubs out there and we apparently are open
arms to them all, thus watering down our original purposes. But
some of us can reject that notion, participate or ignore it.
Kiwanis, like Rotary, Sertoma, Optimist, Exchange, Lions, etc are
all co-ed now, have been for years...where you been?
The Elks, Eagles, Moose, Legion, VFW, Amvets, GI Forum are all
open to women, have been for years...where you been?
The Eastern Star, Rebekahs, Pythian Sisters...are all auxiliaries to
Masons, Odd Fellows, Knights of Pythias.
I am not familiar with mormon or catholic fraternal clubs.
It would appear you are shooting off your mouths about many of
our organizations without keeping up to date. And while I do go back a-ways, I have been active and loyal...
And have not gotten a bur in my saddle over trivialities.
We are, for the most part, concerned with collegiate-connected organizations, most with greek letters, most with houses, and the
problems we face today. To spread out and be all things to all people...well, if you want to undertake that, prithee do. But most
of us are simply not interested, so let's close the chicken coop.
Think we have pretty well run the gamut. Get over it.

Re: who are they?
 

I agree.

You've been told the term is offensive, so just don't use it anymore.

Re: who are they?
 

Item the first: Big M, Big C.

Item the second: You're not familiar with the Knights of Columbus?

http://www.kofc.org/un/about/index.cfm

There does have to be a cut off point.

Hell, after learing about some of the orgs out there...they are little better than clubs with letters they use.

That is not what a fraternity is meant to be.

If you want to accept everyone, have little standards, and so forth-become a club. It's insulting to have some orgs call themselves Fraternities or sororities when they are anything but.

But who are you to say what a fraternity is meant to be or how it should work? Did you coin the word fraternity? Did any of us? If so, then we don't really have a right to say. These orgs aren't hurting you, they're not hurting anybody.

Re: mergers, absorptions, etc.
 

So, Kappa and Theta are real sororities, but KD, AOII, Alpha Xi Delta, and Phi Mu are just organizations? I guess they are real sororities because they have no weak chapters - they are uniformly excellent everywhere, they are housed everywhere, and are only at major universities?

By the way, I already showered today, but the stench of this makes me want to shower again.

Re: Re: mergers, absorptions, etc.
 

Each of the groups he's listed have more than 100 chapters, I think all might be 120+, which puts them on the larger end