I never said she didn't do enough-I think you totally misread my post & didn't pay attention to everything I said:

I agree. Things happen very quickly.

hijack - My new favorite Quote of the Day.

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It might be that the person who wrote the article, decided to write in a manner that would cast doubt on the girl and her allegations.

I don't think we should be criticizing the young lady. Yes she did perhaps not make the wisest decisions. But I to have made some decisions that were equally bad (in some cases worst). When I was young I put myself in some shady situations, and I was lucky...
Being drunk is not an invitation to be raped or otherwise taken advantage of. It is considered rape in NC to have sex with a person while they are drunk... We talked about it in my Health education class. You can not consent to sex if you are not semi concious or passed out.

Lets not blame the alledged victim...
we make people aware of how to be safer... but you know you are never truely safe.

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When I pledged we had a CDC (chapter Development Co-ordinator) who stress the importance of the watching over your sisters and who you came with to all of us new members.
I was in a colony had usurped a local... and all of the older girls also stressed this to us.
I just think it is important to realized that the girl is a victim.

i'm a little appalled (okay... a lot) after reading the responses in this thread. a lot of people had some ugly things to say about forced oral sex and how SHE should have been more careful.

please read and reread this thread as many times as neccessary until people realize what has been said. many people deal with rape differently (during AND after) and they are no less of a rape victim for that. and blaming alcohol serves one REALLY GOOD purpose - helping people maintain their just world view...

sorry for my soapbox -

- marissa

No one posting here has even hinted that the activity described in the report wasn't rape. Those you are reacting to are expressing serious concern at the lack of judgment among young people who put themselves in the way of horrible people who would take advantage of them, as well as disgust for those horrible people.

On the oral sex topic, that was a side conversation and was basically irrelevant to the report itself. Those comments asked how is oral sex forced on someone.

ETA: You know what? No, let me get on my soapbox. I, as much as anyone else posting here, want to run and give that girl as much love and care and understanding as she needs while she works through this experience.

I do not blame her for the actions imposed on her. However, we MUST educate our young people to these dangers and make every attempt to make them understand the world as it is.

No one here can say that if she hadn't been at the party in the first place this wouldn't have happened. That is not a religious-based assessment in the least. It's plain and simple truth. As I've already said in here, IF you're going to party and have fun, KNOW how the world is and protect yourself.

I quoted a comment from one of the links posted earlier where the girl said she bemoaned the fact that the students hadn't been properly warned. That is EVERYONE's fault.

I am horrified over some of the responses in this thread.

And people, keep in mind that hoosier doesn't ever post links to his articles, and doesn't always pick the most well-written ones, at that.

It's an interesting dichotmy between this thread, where so many people are saying the girl didn't do enough to protect herself, and the other thread where we've been discussing 3rd party vendors and alcohol policies.

Linkz r kewl!
 

Here's what I found about it in a search.

http://www.wate.com/global/story.asp?s=4043459

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories...MPLATE=DEFAULT

http://www.thedailytimes.com/sited/story/html/221281

People are going to drink. People are going to binge drink. Yes, that's unfortunate. No, it's not healthy. Yes, people should play mom to their friends (this is obviously not a foolproof plan). Yes, people should watch their drinks (this is obviously not a foolproof plan).



However, that's another issue entirely because even if she was 110 percent stone cold SOBER she still would have been unable to fight off 7 football players.

Furthermore, staying away from parties does not keep you from getting raped. You guys come up with a 100 percent foolproof rape prevention tactic, let me know.

I agree with everything you've said.

sorry if that didn't make sense -

part of a "just world" view ("just" as is fair) is that people don't want to believe that bad things happen to good people for no reason whatsoever. it is easier to believe that there is SOMETHING that the victim did wrong or could have done right than it is to believe that shit happens to nice people.

not that everybody was commenting to that effect, it just occured to me that more than a few of the responses were "seeking a reason" (in one wording or another) and sometimes there just isn't. one shouldn't look for reason in rape, unless they're trying to figure out what the hell is wrong with the rapist.

- marissa