WOW. I really hope you are being sarcastic. There are quite a few sororites at Queens College and Brooklyn CUNY....locals and nationals that remain strong.

I am not quite sure how to take this - is it a compliment or a slam? LOL.

Re: Just would like to know you opinion
 

For me, this seems to be the bigger issue. And a great job according to who?

If her presidency caused divisiveness rather than unity, then that is not good regardless of gender.

IMO, a true leader with the overall org's agenda in mind would not seek a position knowing it would cause turmoil. That sounds more like a personal agenda.

As an aside: 33girl did not come off as nasty to me--emphatic, but not nasty. After you have been around here a little longer, you will definitely know the difference.

In some schools, the IFC (and NPC) operate on a rotation basis - based on who has been there the longest (this is what national NPC does). If this is the case, the only people who "appointed" her are her fellow APO brothers.

I would have just as many issues with it if she was a guy. It's NOT her gender, it's the fact that she is in a nonsocial fraternity and is the head of the group that governs social fraternities.

Think of it this way: if somone from a service sorority who didn't have a quota or total was on your school's Panhel and was the head of the body making decisions about rush, total, quota etc, would you be OK with it?

And as far as the school and the Greek advisor approving - in this case, I'm sorry, the school is just dumb. I doubt that they debated this - to me, it just seems like they made a huge, ridiculous assumption. They see "fraternity" and "pledge" and think they are the same as the rest of the groups on IFC. They're not, for the obvious reason (they're co-ed) and the less obvious (APO does not have member selection in the same way IFC groups do).

APO should no more be on IFC than Phi Beta Kappa or Tri Delta. It's a completely different type of group. Not better or worse, just different.

Re: Re: Just would like to know you opinion
 

The greek community obviously. When she was elected, there was a lot of the whispering and whatnot until she proved herself to be a strong leader. She didn't go in there with a personal agenda and it was with the support of half of the fraternities that she ran for president. What I was asking in this thread, was how people feel and think about it and whether or not it would ever happen at their school.

And I have been reading on here for almost 3 years and just recently registered so I could post to my sisters.
I just usually don't post because too many people on here twist others words because they don't agree with what others say.:mad: :mad: :mad:

Re: Re: Re: Just would like to know you opinion
 

So why are you mad thrice over?

It was the other Fraternities on campus who decided.

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LOL....I got a little mouse happy.:) :( :o :D ;) :p :eek: :eek:

APO/FIT?
 

now, let's see...Alpha Phi Omega used to be the boy scout fraternity, then they decided to take in girls, and since they
have no house, there is apparently no problem. But a Chi O
can be an APO and so can a boy Pi Phi and a girl Pi Phi. But
do they belong in IFC or PanHel or do they belong in one of
the new multicultural ones? Er, perhaps Tom Earp can preside
and settle this one. Gosh, in these earth-shattering days the
problems we must abide!

Re: APO/FIT?
 

sounds like they don't belong in any of them. they are a totally different premise than the more selective greek organizations and obviously them being co-ed is a difference. my college listed them along with the honors and business and service orgs, not as the "normal" greek that most people think of. i think the point that you CAN be in APO and in something else alone speaks to the status it has amongst greeks. That Chi O and Pi Phi you speak of can be in APO but not in each others sororities.

point is that it's nothing earth-shattering about this matter. point is that no matter how social APO is on a campus, it still is not a social organization and has completely different rules. if this chapter of APO is acting as a social org by being selective, ect. then that is a problem with them that they need to deal with via nationals. if it's that big an infraction against APO, then they need to be reported.

another thought...a woman being IFC prez at most big schools would not fly. maybe since it's a commuter school then they can get away with it.

I completely with you here! I can see no reason why APO should be on either the IFC or NPC if there is an all-greek council.

It seems to me that IFC and NPC should be reserved for the single-sex organizations.

Also, it doesn't really matter how "sociable" an APO chapter is... They are still considered a "service fraternity" right? So, again I don't understand why they would be on the same council as the specifically social orgs.

APO main purpose is service, but we ARE a fraternity, and have a social aspect (we call it 'fellowship').

However, that said, even our National Organization doesn't feel that our chapters should be part of IFC or inter-greek councils at schools. In most cases, we are part of inter-club councils, along with the various professional GLOs.

Without knowing more of this situation, I think it more likely that you have a school who has decided that APO should be part of the IFC because they are a GLOs, and are not seeing the difference between social and non-social GLOs. (school policies will 'trump' our National policies, btw).

I think FSUZeta has pinned the importance of this. This is not about the 'greekness' of APO. No one has really questioned that. The issue, to me anyway, is over the single-sex status' of the other orgs on campus. If an all greek council exists, that seems like a more appropriate location for APO to be. I feel that single-sex glos need to do everything we can to maintain that right in the eyes of the federal government. If EVERY IFC fraternity represented on your campus has talked to their HQ and the IFC HQ and EVERYONE is ok with it, fine. But only if the lawyers have vetted the issue do I think that APO should be on IFC.

I don't think we should be allowing the single sex status to be hazy. IFC governs ALL MALE orgs, I really feel like APO shouldn't be there.

I know nothing about APO rules, but I think there should be consideration if this could in anyway affect single-sex status'.

eta: I would personally try to see if an arrangement could be worked out with the school to change the requirement for them to be on IFC. Greek Council should count, but maybe not.

So I wasn't actually going to get involved with this but since it's about me I feel that I should atleast get my say.

1. Rowan University Says that APO must fall under the IGC(intergreek council) and the IFC(interFraternity council) There is no arguing with this. Rowan is god. If we want to be on campus we do this. If we must submit to the rules of these organizations and pay dues to them then WHY THE HELL CAN'T WE HAVE AN ACTIVE PART IN THEM?

2. I was elected, by over 50% majority in the last election to be the president.

3. I work my ass off for this organization. I am the first IFC president in Rowan's history to put a sanctions chart into place. The first person to enforce the bylaws and use the sanctions. The first one to organize a a seminar to teach greeks about the Laws of the state of New Jersey and throwing Parties. The first one to try and organize classes to teach the fraternity brothers how to safely handle problems at parties..and I've only been in office since September.
4. Why can't I hold the position if I am a brother in a fraternity? Brotherhood means something to me. More so than the person who pledges a social organization to drink beer and party..the person who never shows up again once they get their letters.

5.I won this position in a open election. I was the most qualified Fraternity brother who ran for the position. Fraternity brothers only were able to vote and they did..FOR ME.No one has once questioned my ability, only my gender. I am a woman. I have a fiance. I wear dresses. I date men. So what? I work hard. I'm fair. I try to do things for all fraternities on campus. I follow my bylaws of the IFC.
THE IFC never says Male only. It says Fraternity Only. We're a fraternity. Deal with it. If their lawyers don't like it let them get off of this campus because the school has final say, not an organization. They get their lawyers to pitch a fit and I'll garuntee that the person who is incharge of greek life on my campus will tell them to get off this campus and take their charter.
My school says to be on our campus we must fall under these umbrella groups so should we just shut our mouths and have no say in the groups which are given power over us?
I will not go quietly into the night. If my oranization, my BROTHERHOOD, Alpha Phi Omega must pay these dues, and they much fall under the IFC rules. If we must be judges for greek cup points against other fratnerties..Then we have ever right to participate in the Greek Political system.
At the risk of sounding like a bitch if you don't like..Tough Shit. It's mostly a resident school. Someone said we're a commuter school. Not true. I don't critize you for wanting to be in a same sex organization, but I am proud to call these men and women my brother.
I like my position. I work hard at it. I am fair. I am a BROTHER in a service fraternity. I follow my university's rules. Deal with it, and if it really bothers you then every night before you get into bed thank god that you're closed little mind goes to a school where APO is a club or is only under the all Greek council and so you don't have to compete with people who might be better than you. I am keeping with my national ideals. i am working to make this world a better place, if only a small part of it. I am volunteering my self to my campus, service with out benefit, I am just trying to help everyone. I serve the fraternity brothers of Rowan University. I give them my time, my energy, my leadership experiance, and most of all my heart to help them run efficiently. To try and help them grow, and to help them with the school.

If you think that I'm wrong; I don't care. If you don't like; I don't care. All I really have to say is I wont this election. i work hard, and I stand on my record.
-Jacquelynn Marino
Rowan University
InterFraternity Council President.

you go girl!!

i don't think anyone thinks that you did anything wrong-you are merely complying with the school, ran for an office and were elected.

our point is that the school is wrong in requiring a coed organization to belong to an all male council or an all female council. as discussed earlier, this might undermine fraternities and sororities desires to stay single sex, if someone chose to challenge it.