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adpiucf 07-28-2005 09:40 AM

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Originally posted by AlphaPhiBubbles
No Sigma Chi pledge died...he almost died from alcohol poisening but is alive and kicking. Pi Beta Phi closed very recently due to an alcohol violation, NOT HAZING. By Phi Kappa Phi I think you meant Pi Kappa Phi, and Adrian Heidemans death was due to alcohol not hazing. I have friends who were in his pledge class.
Alcohol violations are often due to underage drinking. In many sororities, providing alcohol to underage members is construed as hazing. Also, it doesn't matter. RISK MANAGEMENT is as risk management does. These are all still behaviors that endanger Chico students and make other Greeks, whether local, national, NPC, NIC, NPHC, multicultural, etc... look the same. When one of us screws up, WE ALL LOSE.

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Originally posted by AlphaPhiBubbles

We drink a lot. We party a lot. I think an average of 2 people per "going out night" (thursday, friday, saturday) get sent to the hospital for alcohol.

And this is considered "okay and accepatable behavior? Later on in your post you ask what we would do in your shoes-- stop binge drinking and educate the student population on binge drinking. Increase risk management practices and take the damn drink out of Tommy's hand after his Nth shot of jaeger!


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Originally posted by AlphaPhiBubbles

But people still don't seem to grasp that Chi Tau wasn't really a part of any greek system. They don't reflect in any way the other groups, national or local.

It doesn't matter. Chi Tau is a Greek Lettered club. This makes it look Greek. The vast majority of the US are not GLO members and they don't care if this was a national, a local or an underground renegade society. "IT'S ALL GREEK" to them.

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Originally posted by AlphaPhiBubbles
So I wanted to ask... as a Chico Greek... I admit "we" as a student body, screwed up pretty bad. So what are we supposed to do about it?
Take accountability. Stop binge drinking. Respect one another and know that your membership in your GLO isn't one founded on beating one another with paddles and sisterhood isn't formed by drinking one another under the table. Institute a series of interactive co-sponsored membership education trainings where you teach one another about hazing, alcohol, drugs and the consequences, and where you have an open and honest dialogue about what is happening at your university and what you as GREEKS (local, national and underground or aboveground!) can do to stop it.

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Originally posted by AlphaPhiBubbles

Sure as individuals you can all just sit back and say "well it's easy just stop doing all that bad stuff" but if you were our greek advisor or the president or the director of student life what would your plan be?

If I were any of those people, I would set forth a series of ultimatums, make the campus dry and set a zero-tolerance policy for hazing and alcohol abuse-- you're caught and you're expelled. Period.

And although it's not my place as an ADPi to say this and even though I adore the Chico ADPi's I have met, if I had the power, I'd pull ADPi out of Chico. I don't want my letters represented at a school where the students treat each other this way, and I don't want my sisters exposed to this kind of behavior. I'd want to protect my sisters.

33girl 07-28-2005 10:06 AM

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Originally posted by adpiucf
It doesn't matter. Chi Tau is a Greek Lettered club. This makes it look Greek. The vast majority of the US are not GLO members and they don't care if this was a national, a local or an underground renegade society. "IT'S ALL GREEK" to them.
They have been stripped of their university and national recognition. The real Greeks will have nothing to do with them. This has been stated over and over again. What on earth else are they supposed to do, blow up their house with them in it?

Little E 07-28-2005 10:13 AM

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Originally posted by AlphaPhiBubbles

I don't try and sugar coat the things that happen here. We drink a lot. We party a lot. I think an average of 2 people per "going out night" (thursday, friday, saturday) get sent to the hospital for alcohol. It's something the campus has struggled with for a LONG time but is slowly changing for the better. I think all the changes about to happen to the greek system and campus are good, although they will make being greek kinda shitty, but hopefully people won't be so stupid in the future.

I feel the need to say this to you VERY clearly.

It is NOT normal for a college to send, as you are saying, 6 people a week to the hospital for alcohol related illness. It is NOT healthy or conducive to educational advancement for students to be drinking in such and unhealthy way.

Because you asked for my opinion. :D
I would close the Greek system down entirely. I agree with adpiucf that I would not want my letters anywhere near Chico for the safety of both my sisters and the national organization. As a university I would also put pressure on bar owners, liquor stores and the local police department to help ensure that everything we being done to prevent underage drinking. If that means having to use two forms of ID, or scan every drivers license, or do random check points, I would do it. I think it is time for the city to crack down. Right now it sounds like, 'Hey welcome to Chico, a nice place except for 11pm-3am on Thurs through Saturday. Please don't hit the drunk college kids.' That cannot be helping the city prosper....

Anyhow, more people will continue to get hurt until drastic changes are made. You think being Greek is not going to be fun because of the changes. I question what types of events are going on at Chico.

Just to give you some more numbers, a semester is what 16 weeks? so you are in college for 32 weeks per year (give or take) You are saying that 6 people per week go to the hospital, so that is a grand total of 192 people being hospitalized. Then you add drinking holidays. Halloween (1day), Superbowl (1day), St. Paddy's (1day), Finals (1 week), Mid-terms (2? days), Greek week, spring break (5 days). So roughly add another 20 drinking holidays. (which do not include birthdays, 21st birthdays, break-ups and any other holidays) Another 20 days, at 2 people per day being hospitalized, you end up with around 232 people per year being hospitalized. (give or take some numbers)

And you want us to cut you some slack?

I'm getting off of my soapbox, but your campus has a lot of work to do. I honestly wish you the best of luck and don't envy the amount of work. I think you will find it all easier to manage once the entire community commits themselves to changing the culture that has permeated that campus. Best of luck.

edited for clarity

adpiucf 07-28-2005 10:17 AM

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Originally posted by 33girl
They have been stripped of their university and national recognition. The real Greeks will have nothing to do with them. This has been stated over and over again. What on earth else are they supposed to do, blow up their house with them in it?
It's irrelevant-- the outside world doesn't give a damn whether this group was a "real" Greek Lettered Organization in the sense that "legitimate" Greek societies designate. And the outside world is keeping up with the war on Terror, missing teens in Aruba, nonfat lattes at Starbucks, their own lives and primetime TV. They're not going to hone in on the small details of whether a fraternity hazing death was committed by a "national" group on campus by the grace of God and the university administration... they just see "fraternity" "hazing." The perception still comes back to haunt all of us.

"They're" not supposed to do anything-- but the university, the community, the bars, the police, the national groups and the local students and their parents need to take accountability and set a measurable probation (which they are doing) to turn the students around, and crack down on the absurd norms that have developed at this campus (IE: sending 2 people to the hospital each week due to alcohol poisoning).

33girl 07-28-2005 10:22 AM

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Originally posted by adpiucf
It's irrelevant-- the outside world doesn't give a damn whether this group was a "real" Greek Lettered Organization in the sense that "legitimate" Greek societies designate. And the outside world is keeping up with the war on Terror, missing teens in Aruba, nonfat lattes at Starbucks, their own lives and primetime TV. They're not going to hone in on the small details of whether a fraternity hazing death... they just see "fraternity" "hazing." The perception still comes back to haunt all of us.

"They're" not supposed to do anything-- the university, the national groups and the local students need to take accountability and set a measurable probation (which they are doing) to turn the students around.

Exactly...they've set goals and are going to work towards them, so why keep harping on something they can't change and let them try to go forward?

If there was a rogue ADPi chapter out there calling itself Alpha Pi that did all manner of unmentionable things, your EO and the school had already done all they could to discipline them and people still kept throwing it in your face, how would that make you feel?

AlphaPhiBubbles 07-28-2005 08:09 PM

33girl thank you so much for finally seeing what i have been trying to say.

look people I'm not retarted for christs sake. when i tell you about the statistics about drinking i'm never saying its ok, im just telling you how it is. I know it's not an average college but i know we aren't alone either. I also know this is a history the school has been dealing with for probably a century. You saying we should all "just stop" and hold ourselves accountable is exactly the unconstructive criticism im talking about. If one of you was overweight, would me telling you "just stop eating so much" fix that problem right away? or even in a month? hell no. Little E I think you are right that more pressure needs to be put on bar owners and such - they take full advantage of the fact that chico students like to drink on any given night. But i didn't see why you needed to spit out all of those other "stats" because they dont prove anything, they aren't even accurate because the statement I made was probably not 100% accurate... I had just heard it from a friend.

I am glad for those of you who actually gave thought out solutions. I respect the opinion that the greek system would be shut down.

adpiucf - maybe you should try convincing your sisters here at chico state to calm their behavior down. I am very good friends with many of them so I don't say this in any bitter way...but I just would like to see you, an outsider to chico but an insider to ADPi, convince the individual girls to change and see how well that goes.

TSteven 08-05-2005 08:40 PM

Chico State Requires Alcohol Abuse Prevention Course
News10.net
KXTV

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In the wake of a series of alcohol-related incidents that have hurt the university's reputation, California State University, Chico has announced it will require all incoming freshmen to complete an online alcohol abuse prevention course.

The program, called AlcoholEdu for College, will survey students and present material about alcohol and how to prevent abuse. The course takes about two and a half hours to complete.

"I am excited about this important effort to increase the University's commitment in helping educate students about the effects of alcohol abuse," said Jim Moon, CSUC vice president for student affairs. "This is one of many initiatives that Chico State is undertaking this year to emphasize the importance of student success and student safety."

The university has been trying to shed its party image since the early 1990s. For more than a decade it topped Playboy Magazine's list of best party schools, but there have also been accusations of hazing at fraternities and deaths and injuries from binge drinking.

Last January 19-year-old Richard Amador, a fraternity pledge, slipped into a coma while drinking vodka provided by a Sigma Chi member. In the fall of 2000, Adrian Heideman, a Pi Kappa Phi pledge, died of an alcohol overdose.

The university is sending letters to incoming freshmen and their parents to tell them about the course requirement. The letters inform freshmen that they won't be permitted to register for spring 2006 classes until they complete the course with a passing grade.

Students can take the online course starting August 9 and have until September 9 to complete the first part of the course. The final, follow-up portion of the course must be finished by October 14. The course can be taken from any computer with Internet access and audio capabilities.

33girl 08-07-2005 05:53 PM

I hope I'm being cynical and that these online alcohol courses really do some good.

But every time I hear about something like this, all I can think of is the episode of WKRP where they were doing an on-air reflex test to show the dangers of overimbibing and Johnny Fever's reflexes got better and quicker with each additional drink.


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