Well Ambicion,
Thank you very much for those words of wisdom, but I do find them offensive. Please don't rely on the Latinos you know to decide wether a lot of people find these things offensive or not.

Unfortunately, there is a lot of racism in Mexico, whether it is obvious or subtle. Tell me, ambicion, when was the last time you saw the main character of a Mexican telenovela that does not look white. The truth is that in Mexico, like many other Latin American countries, most of the wealthy, famous, successful people are white. On the other hand, most of the impoverished, unsuccesful people either look indigenous or dark-skinned. Does this remind you of anything? Oh yea! The United States is exactly the same way.

There are many race-related problems in Mexico that are similar to those here. This is something that will never stop if we don't realize that Latinos, although we are minorities, do have a steorotyping/racism problem. In fact, all minorities have this problem. There is no race where you find that light skin is preferred over dark skin, straight hair over curly/kinky hair, and big eyes over smaller eyes. Unfortunately, things like Taco Bell, Speedy Gonzalez, and these darn stamps do the opposite of what we should be doing -- making people conscious of the horrible stereotypes that occur in society.

Mexico Sucks!:(

They dont take care of their People, that is why The People of Mexico try like Hell to come across the Very Border that seperates us.

Do They Take Care of Said Citizans? Does "No" sound about right?:(

They still live in the world of what is in it for me!:rolleyes:

Corrupte ass wipes from the get go. If not, then they are Killed!

Welcome To Mexico!:eek:

Youre being a little culturalcentric here arent you?

Just becuase we've determined that something is unacceptable here in the states dosent mean that it is unaversally accepted as such, or even should be. Other countries have the right to be however they want to be.

We need to get off our soapbox and quit exporting our value system on the rest of the world. If they wanna end racism in their counntris, thats their deal.

I'd also liek to remind you that we in the US are HARDLY in a position to lecture other countries on race relations. Remember it was less than 50 years ago that seperate but equal WAS THE LAW OF THE LAND here. Also, we in America still have racial slurs made - hell, by greeks no less. Search 'blackface' on GC and you'll see what I mean. So lets fix our shit here before we go demanding others do the same.

Your post makes no sense to me. I don't think its to much to ask other countries to not produce racist images of people of African descent. How is that cultural-centric? Other countries do have a right to do what they want but when it negatively affects people who look like me then I WILL speak up.

The problem here is that there are certain things that we believe (whether we have accepted them 1 million years ago or 1 year ago) despite what little section of land we happen to be standing on. Racism is bad. Period. No matter where you are, the color of one's skin or someone's racial background does not dictate how you should or should not treat a person.

Now, yes, I can concede to the fact that there are some values we hold that may be debatable, but I think we can all agree in this forum that the acceptability of racism is simply not up for debate.

And I must add that "Separate but Equal" was the law of the land in America, but we are not the people who created this law. In fact, many of us are fighting for the exact opposite of these kinds of laws. And just because there exist, or have existed, certain racist doctrines in this country, it doesn't mean that I can't speak out against them.

:eek:

There are some things that you just don't admit to. :o

This is the only post in this entire thread that makes ANY sense.

Most on here are making judgements on Mexico and your only cultural experience with mexico is drinking margarita's at happy hour (which werent even invented in mexico, but in Texas).

Fact is racism in Mexico is rampant. So is economic / class segregation. You are judged on if you are white, mixed or indeginous or black. Its just how its done there. NO ONE in mexico is even suprised or shocked - by the stamp issue or Vicente Fox's comments on blacks a few months ago.

Here's the twist tho. Americans cant seperate racism from the historical violence that accompanied it. Mexico outlawed slavery before the US did. Mexico never had segregation. Mexico never went through the civil rights violence of the 50's and 60's liek we did. So Mexico has been far more progressive than the US ever has in terms of race relations. They just view people of different races as different. They will make jokes. They prefer to be with their own people and dont often cross racial lines in social circles. Its just how it is there. Since they have been much more enlightened and liberal with their civil rights then we have here in the US, I dont think we need to be so damn quick to judge.

Go there then you can be an expert on it. Till then, stick to happy hour at Chi-Chi's or Chevy's.

Sorry you couldnt understand my post. Read slower.

You mentioned the key to it yourself. Its not your business. its another country. It isnt the US post office selling the stamps. It was the governement of Mexico. Since YOU ARE NOT A CITIZEN OF MEXICO, its not your concern. You dont have a vote there. Let them deal with it. If you are that concerned, move to mexico, become a citizen and then vote for the PRI (Fox's opposition party).

There are far worse attrocities commited in the name of race in this country. Lets keep the eye on the ball here and work to end racism IN OUR OWN BACKYARD. You bitching about shit in another country isnt going to change a damn thing - especially cause its such a part of the culture there. Work to make a difference where you can. Cause I guantee that no one in Mexico gives a shit what you or I think.

Once again...you make no sense. I could read your post backwards and it still sounds like garbage.

Who says I'm not paying attention on what happens here?? And just because I don't live in Mexico doesn't mean that I can't comment on what happens there. Especially when it pertains to people who look like me, i.e. Black folks. My minor is in African and Black Diaspora Studies so I am very interested in world affairs, home and abroad for the slow folks.

And I've been to Mexico...know quite a few Mexicans of African descent...not saying this makes me an expert of race relations there but I have been exposed to the culture.

I dont agree. I personally think racism IS bad. But the recognition of racism as a bad thing is pretty uniquely American and European. Just because we have embrased it doesnt mean EVERYONE ELSE HAS TO. I guess I just believe in a nations course of self determinism. If racism is so abhorrent to nature then in the due course, the citizens of a country will make the decison to end it on their own. If we as another country force our views on them, then it wont be genuine. They have to want to end it. It needs to come from them, not us. I think its as bad, if not worse to impose our values on a country as letting them operate a system where others make judgements on a person becasue of the way they look - especially when its in a system where there are no rights violations and there is equality and has been for nearly 200 years. We sure as hell cant say that in the US. Thats just my opinion.

In the meantime, start researching the 40% of items in your home that were "Hecho En Mexico" and throw them out. And vow to not purchase anything that was ever made in mexico or has mecican components and hit them in their pocketbooks. Start a boycot. But dont just pay lip service to it. Do something or shut up about it.

So you think that the U.S. and Western Europe are the only places in the world. that recognize that racism is bad??

Can't y'all be nice to each other? :*(

-Rudey

Sorry you still coulndt understand my post. Maybe a degree in politics or law it would help. How much of your 30 hour minor was spent on african american relations in latin america? Just wondering.

I know canadians, but that dosent make me an expert on the Quebec succesionist movement. Cause remember, everybody is an expert online.

We'll have to agree to disagree. I have work I have to get back to and have spent entirely too much time on this tomfoolery. I might be able to come back and play later tonight.

Please get back to work! :D

I understand what you are saying but it just doesn't make sense. Who said I was an expert, obviously you didn't read the part of my post that said I wasn't [seems to be such a struggle in these types of conversations]....My minor focuses heavily on Black folks in S. America because thats where the majority of the Africans brought in the Middle Passage are. :rolleyes:

Always! :)

Until people start pullin' stuff out their a$$.