ok, i've been able to read for the past, i dunno, 20 years or so, and i've been a Baptist for the last 1...2....3.....23 years, so you're not the only one with a Christian upbringing. God is not vengeful....but he does require a certain amount of respect. you said she was "teaching fear." i didn't read what she said as "God said i can't look in his face b/c he's a big meanie", but more so like "i feel bad so i won't be able to look him in the face." make sense? if i am unfair or mean to a friend, it's hard for me to look them in the face. not b/c they are scary or vengeful, but b/c i feel bad for what i did. same kinda thing.

so really....maybe someone should accuse you of not being able to read. i would like to think it's just us interpreting things differently, though.

Just because it's not true doesn't mean pro-life zealots won't spout it off to everyone who can hear!

(I tried finding the link she once sent me saying that outlined her belief - i think it was on catholicnet or something - but i did find a lot of links of people arguing over arguing if John Kerry was excommunicated for supporting a woman's right to choose , but he's not)

LOL on the "guilt not fear" quote. My dad says Catholic guilt is the only part of Catholism he gave me.

In the bible it says, "Vengence is MINE saith the Lord" God is a vengeful God, but he's also merciful and loving. It can go hand in hand.

true.

Why is it that if you are pro-life or conservative, or republican or christian, or whatever else, that you are a zealot or nut case or radical or whack job? Just curious.

You'll need to forgive me if that what you think I was implying.
I'm not saying that any of that is true.

I was refering to a very very specific group of people. I can call them zealots if I want. I'm not refering to every pro-lifer, conservative, republican or christian.

No I understand, it's just annoying when people DO clump all those people together and label all of them as those things. Thanks for clarifying!

See, I was always taught (in public school, whooo!) that the above quote was saying not that the Lord is vengeful, but that MAN does not have the right to judge or to be vengeful, that vengeance is the sole purview of a Supreme Being. I've realized

Has anyone read either of Norma McCorvey's autobiographies? In both of them, she comes across as being highly gullible and impressionable. I'm sure both the pro-choice and anti-choice groups were able to win her over quite easily. In fact, in the first book, her dislike for the anti-choice people didn't come so much from their beliefs as much as how they treated her. Also, wasn't her conversion a result of "being shunned" at the Roe anniversary?

I would like to think that it's THE DIVA! getting a touch self-righteous on us again . . . which it is, even though it's endearing. I'm pretty sure GP was referring to the woman's church as teaching fear. Your own personal relationship with God has no place in this thread.

It also has no place in the law, which is why, as a proud American, you should support Roe v. Wade, even if you think abortion is an abomination. Let others sin, and prove your patriotism in the process.

I am a proud American who will NEVER support it.

I was taught that in both public and Catholic school, WOO WOO.

And I read one of them. It was intriuging.

Can you elaborate?

The website is pretty intense - I knew that she had become pro-life, but beyond that I hadn't read or heard too much about it.

Personally, Roe v. Wade to me is much more about rights that should be protected, more than just a ruling on abortion. I'll support it for that reason, for the larger picture that it represents.

As far as the vengeance quote...I had always understood it the way Munchkin explained it.

Something about the site strikes me as little off...whether it's the way the site is presented or the explantations given on the site by McCorvey, I'm unsure.

I am against abortion but I won't date a girl who doesn't believe in it. HAHAHAHAHAHA.

-Rudey
--I always eat my pie and have it too...because what the hell is the point of having a pie if you can't eat it??

I guess I really can't because I'm not sure what K Sig RC meant by . I don't see how supporting something I don't believe in makes me a proud American.
I will elaborate in that I plain and simple don't think abortion is right and I will further argue that you DO have the right to choose. Choose whether or not you want to do things that you KNOW might have consequences you are unprepared to deal with. Anyway, I'm not about to get into an argument about this with anyone (not saying that's what YOU moe.ron are looking for, but just for anyone who comes with swinging fists).
That's what makes me proud as an American, to be able to say what I want.
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