Tom you're absolutely right. But the school is only coming in with the iron fist because they have the student body's interests to protect. I can't even imagine the nightmare of working at a university and being entrusted with the mental and physical well-being of 1000s of students.

Should something happen to one of those students, the university is liable. Not to mention the PR nightmare and financial support being pulled from the school if there is an incident with one of the students.

National GLOs don't condone abuse of their members (nor do locals). But the actions of a few chapter members have wide-spread repercussions on the national GLO, the chapter where the alleged incident occurred, the university and all of its students. People get caught up in having their "fun" and don't see that their innocent "quest" or "pledge challenge" can get twisted.



"What do you want a BB gun for, kid? You'll shoot your eye out."

My point was more that yes, we can undergo some peer pressure, but at a certain point the blame is on us, solely. I mean, I've been at a fraternity party before where people were passing around joints... I took it and passed it on to the next person without taking a hit. Noone judged me for it, it just was my personal choice.

Now, granted, I hate that this guy felt the need to kill himself, but I just wish our first thought wouldn't be, "Oh, my god! The fraternity forced him to do drugs so he killed himself!" Once again, however, I reitterate that I don't know the guys nor do I know the whole story, so I am not here to pass judgments either way.

Listen people, no one made him do coke or take Xannys. He might have been made to smoke an ass load of weed...but thats not really a drug. Weed is like smoking a really strong cig. So stop thinking people made him do hardcore drugs, because they didnt. He did that shit on his own. Yes, he may have got his ass beat. So what! That kind of shit happens all the time in any frat....its just none of you want to admit it on a public message board. I could totally see him during formal pledging and someone blindfolding him and then putting a pill in his hand and making him swallow it....but they wont put a couple Xanny bars or a gram of coke in his hand and make him do it. He probably told his mom that crapp because she was on to his habit he already had. If anything, they'd put advil in his hand or something of the likes and make him swallow it.....its about trust. Do any of you think that maybe the drugs he was ALREADY DOING made him so depressed that he killed himself because of that and not from the pressure of PIKE? Some of you sound so stupid. Its my understanding that many frats (at UF at least) ask their pledge classes in front of all the brothers who there does drugs. Get it out of your minds that PIKE makes people do drugs and if you dont you're kicked out. :mad: :mad: :mad:

i think i have to disagree. last time i checked, weed is still an illegal narcotic in most areas of the US. Chemically, THC is proven to be a mind altering stimulant, hence, weed is most certainly a drug.

sorry, i guess we didn't realize that you were right there to witness the whole situation. our bad.

hi pot, meet kettle



sorry for the sarcasm, but you're way off base.

Too true.... and the MJ is stronger now, or at least the standard street variety up here... 15x the average amount of THC over the wild 60s... in terms of narcotic affect I believe it is about as intoxicating as 2-3 shots (but with different neurological effects).

As R A Cooper and HUP Pike said, it is still Illegal and better Grade than every.

With the Prime Wittness DOA, then we may never know will we?:(

The Shame, is it happened at all.

If it was and Probably not part of Initiation, then there must have been a reason that:

1. He did it for a Reason.

2. Was it for other reasons than being in a Greek Organization.

Maybe that is the question?