Frank: In this corner, weighing in at 110 pounds and pushing 89 years of age and the recent recipient of a brand new plastic hip, Joseph "Blue" Polaski. Are you sure you're ok with this, Blue?

Blue: Just ring the fucking bell, you pansy.


Sorry, but I had to throw in a quote from the movie, since you mentioned it!

On a related note, last August, members of a fraternity on my campus (which shall remain nameless) threw a party and decided to hold a Jello wrestling contest. Now, every sorority girl in her right mind knew better than to engage in that kind of skank-ariffic behavior, but we were at the party anyways, for socializing purposes. We were also there to see what summer freshman would be drunk and/or classless enough to try Jello wrestling, so we could remember her if in fact she decided to go through recruitment in the fall. The pot was up to about $100 for the winner, and 2 girls decided to go for it. They both stripped down, one conveniently had her bathing suit on (hmmmm, did she plan on doing this earlier that night while she was getting ready perhaps?), and the other wore her bra and panties! :eek: The boys had a grand old time, the sorority girls were taking pictures to have visual reminders of these girls for during membership selection, and the 2 girls got loose with it.

One of the lower moments for the fraternity in my opinion, if they were so into Jello, they should have made some shots!

Oh for the love of Pete. # 1, I am far from the prude or conservative on this board. #2, the events that men want to have to get guys to come to their houses sometimes are just wrong. Women wrestling in oil? Please. If these are the types of men you want in your fraternity James, that's fine by me. I think you may need to go back and read the mission statement of Kappa Sigma though to see that you're living up to the ideals of your fraternity with this event...for example:

The Fraternity should promote ethical behavior and decision-making.

The lessons taught from Fraternity ritual should be incorporated into the daily lives of the members. Kappa Sigmas are expected to act as gentlemen at all times, and the Fraternity must demand the highest standards of personal conduct. The Fraternity should instill a sense of responsibility and integrity. The dignity of all persons shall always be respected; intolerant or abusive behavior cannot be tolerated.

Oh my. You just preached our own credo at me.

Funny stuff.

If the girls were coerced or abused I could understand your viewpoint. If they are willing, thats their choice to participate.

Free will, individual responsibility, personal freedom and all that good stuff.

What you are tallking about is a more socially conservative attitude and socially conservative censures.

The same type of viewpoint that led Alabama to ban the sale and possession of vibrators (a year hard labor in jail) and label same sex relationships as crimes against nature.

Now you, much like the Alabama legislature, are obvioulsy entitled to your own opinion about these matters.

What is disconcerting is when people actively seek to prevent others from excercising their personal freedom either through some type of official ban or social pressure.

A sorority on my campus, which has a GOOD reputation, held a Jello wrestling contest to raise money. Yes, they were participating in it. They're the largest sorority, known for their very involved sisters as well as the highest GPA.(It was in the middle of the afternoon and they were all sober, BTW) So, it may not be always be that it's degrading. It's all about whether or not the girls are having fun, and not acting like sluts.

Conservative attitude or not, what would your Nationals think about girls rolling around in oil? C'mon already.

I don't get how promoting the degredation of women is a gentlemenly standard of conduct. The wrestling had nothing to do with rush, it had to do with a pornographic fantasy to see scantily clad women wrestle.

I'm sorry but I just find it kind of creepy, boys standing around googling girls. Maybe its just me, but rush should be about YOUR fraternity, not a bunch of 'hot chicks' wrestling. How about community service or brotherhood?

1) Having strippers is something that is done by many fraternities. It is done by men who are getting married even. Heck it's why the industry is so large. So this is nothing new.

2) How is this degrading women? It does not sit within the norms of comfort for many people and I can understand that, but how does it degrade you?

3) I would think waking up at 7AM on a Sunday and seeing many of your sisters streaming out of fraternities would be more degrading for you. Heck there are girls on Greekchat that reveal more about the dudes they've been with.

4) Remember free choice and free will. These women weren't forced into anything. The brothers who want to join and enjoy the fraternity will join. The girls who don't like this won't associate themselves with this fraternity.

5) This is one event within a context of many and we don't know what the rest are. I don't know what's going on with the hazing and whatnot but that is a cause for concern for many.

6) Whether or not this is something you can do and enjoy doing, remember that you're taking on the risk of bad PR as well (take a look on this thread for example).

-Rudey

Ok ok ok.

You are losing me with the whole "promoting the degredation of women . . ." My common sense tells me that is a wee bit of an over reaction.

This whole event is about on the level of leafing through Maxim magazine or FHM.

Do you view those as degrading to women? Are you being degraded if you choose to participate?

Are you froma red state or something? :p (sorry couldn't resist)

To me, this isn't the concern of whether this is freewill, socially acceptable, or whatever... To me, this is a concern of standards and how we are promoting the greek community. Yes, you can leaf through Maxim and see the same thing, but when girls posed for the College Girl issue of Playboy, they were promptly kicked out of the sorority. I think it's bad enough that there is a clear thought across campus that sorority girls are drunken sluts who conform to whatever someone tells them to conform to, but do we have to feed this thought? And, do we have to feed the thought that "frat guys" are nothing but drunken apes who treat women like crap? I mean, it's bad enough that sororities and fraternities alike have people in their chapters that exemplify this thought, but do we have to do a whole event based on it? I mean, I'm sure it wouldn't be OK with MY Executive Offices if we decided to sponsor a skit round with the theme "sorority girls are sluts." I know of a fraternity that refuses to be called a "frat" because of the connotations related to it. Yes, they still have guys who are complete jerks to women, but at least their stance as a whole is to portray themselves as a "fraternity" and not a "frat."

CarolinaDG has it. and in better wording.

I just don't see how oil wrestling has anything to do with positive Greek PR. Yes, the women have free will, no one said they didn't. But it doesn't mean we as a community need to support events that do not portray others well. I think both the men especially (as it was there idea) could do better. And the women, could perhaps find other ways to get attention.