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TheEpitome1920 11-23-2004 04:32 PM

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Originally posted by naraht
Because I assumed that Zeta Phi Beta would support Phi Beta Sigma in the event that this argument in the newspaper got uglier (or even physical), especially as the Alpha Phi Omega brothers who have been vocal on this have been female.

Did you find the mention due to a search on greekchat? I've found the search less than satisfying since it refuses to accept phi as a search term due to its length...

Randy

As a member of Zeta Phi Beta I support my brothers when they are correct. I don't support ignorance, I don't care who it is. And there is a Sigma brother who posts on GC from Alpha chapter, Short Fuse. He is more than capable of responding about the actions of his chapter or a member of his chapter. And once again Alpha Phi Omega is co-ed, Sigma is not so I don't understand your comparison.

And no, I don't do random searches of "Zeta Phi Beta". I was reading this particular thread and came across the item.

Shortfuse 11-23-2004 04:50 PM

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Originally posted by TheEpitome1920
As a member of Zeta Phi Beta I support my brothers when they are correct. I don't support ignorance, I don't care who it is. And there is a Sigma brother who posts on GC from Alpha chapter, Short Fuse. He is more than capable of responding about the actions of his chapter or a member of his chapter. And once again Alpha Phi Omega is co-ed, Sigma is not so I don't understand your comparison.

And no, I don't do random searches of "Zeta Phi Beta". I was reading this particular thread and came across the item.

BINGO!


First off, I find it COMICAL that people would talk about numbers from a UNISEX org to a org that only brings in MEN (take that how you want it). Now I will be contacting the brother in question who I know personally. It's a younger generation and his actions were unexcusable.

Sensuret I, I feel that you should chill off of the pot shots that you've been taken at my chapter. If you or any PERSON felt THAT disrespected feel free to contact me or meet me on campus.


Somebody wanted to be down? Well I can't say if that's true or not but so what? I'm 100 percent sure it WASNT the guy who wrote the article. I mean it's not like APO doesn't have cats who CAN'T get into a Greek letter org.

Finally, Nobody from another org is going to "school" my chapter on anything.


As far as getting physical, there is no reason why any member of Phi Beta Sigma would get into it over a silly article that a lone wolf wrote out of silly frustrations.


I've sat by and watch this shit go on long enough. Please lay off the LOUD TALK.


If this offended any of you, then GET OVER IT.


P.S. there is NO SUCH THING AS ZETA PHI BETA SIGMA AS A ORGANIZATION. Talk about ignorance.:rolleyes:

Shortfuse 11-23-2004 04:55 PM

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Originally posted by True18
Hi Brothers,

This is Veronica-Marché, the brother who authored the APO editorial in the HIlltop. For clarification, I wasn't responding just to the PBS article, but to general situation on campus that I, personally, am sick and tired of.

Now that my editorial has drawn such a disrespectful response, I find it necessary to settle this situation once and for all. Not through campus media, but face to face as real (wo)men should.

To my seasoned brothers: What is the best way to approach this? I refuse to allow someone to disrespect my APO and have them even think they can get away with it. Or is this something that needs to be ignored? How do we address this situation and still maintain our integrity and position on this campus? Some people are saying "Let it go," but I can't. I was first speaking for cooperation, understanding and respect on campus, but now I have to defend my frat.

Getting physical? We're not going to hit women. But throwing blows should be the LAST thing on your mind. I'll talk to frat who wrote it and it'll be done. But let's chill on the threats that YOU can't back up.


Have anice fucking day.

PrettyKittieJ 11-23-2004 05:25 PM

Can't We All Just Get Along (Apparently not...)
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Shortfuse
Getting physical? We're not going to hit women. But throwing blows should be the LAST thing on your mind. I'll talk to frat who wrote it and it'll be done. But let's chill on the threats that YOU can't back up.


Have anice fucking day.

In your response you quoted one of our brothers - but it said nothing about getting physical....so please give some clarification - I might have missed it, ive been known to be blind.

And also in what you quoted there were no threats about anything.

I think, if anything, the "physical" comments that I have been made are quite resonable. You need to explore and look at all outcomes. Things could turn physical without either organization wanting it to - but sh*t happens and either way we should be prepared.

And no offense to you "ShortFuse" obviously you have this name for a reason your comment about "If this offended any of you, then GET OVER IT." You are on an Alpha Phi Omega board disrespecting other brothers (for those who know me know that I can talk about this - the road has been long and traveled
:) ) by that comment. If this was posted on your Phi Beta Sigma Fraternity, INC board I think that you would say the same thing. If you want to be taken seriously then you need to show respect where respect is due. You are more than welcome to post and say whatever you want - you have that right. But I will not stand for you to come on this board acting like you are all high and mighty and can address this forum any way that you would like. There is a right and wrong way to speak to people, espically if you would like for them to see your point of veiw....apparently thats what got this whole thread started in the first place!

Shortfuse 11-23-2004 05:42 PM

Re: Can't We All Just Get Along (Apparently not...)
 
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Originally posted by PrettyKittieJ
In your response you quoted one of our brothers - but it said nothing about getting physical....so please give some clarification - I might have missed it, ive been known to be blind.

And also in what you quoted there were no threats about anything.

I think, if anything, the "physical" comments that I have been made are quite resonable. You need to explore and look at all outcomes. Things could turn physical without either organization wanting it to - but sh*t happens and either way we should be prepared.

And no offense to you "ShortFuse" obviously you have this name for a reason your comment about "If this offended any of you, then GET OVER IT." You are on an Alpha Phi Omega board disrespecting other brothers (for those who know me know that I can talk about this - the road has been long and traveled
:) ) by that comment. If this was posted on your Phi Beta Sigma Fraternity, INC board I think that you would say the same thing. If you want to be taken seriously then you need to show respect where respect is due. You are more than welcome to post and say whatever you want - you have that right. But I will not stand for you to come on this board acting like you are all high and mighty and can address this forum any way that you would like. There is a right and wrong way to speak to people, espically if you would like for them to see your point of veiw....apparently thats what got this whole thread started in the first place!

I had to quote this so I could read it. The bright colors were killin my eyes.


But when people are bashing my Chapter, I can walk onto ANY BOARD I PLEASE.

I'm not into beign taken seriously, you do or you don't. I don't live my life so OTHERS can respect me. Didn't pledge Sigma for others to respect me. If you had the same attitude then you wouldn't have gotten your panties in a bunch about this article (notice how APO wasn't mentioned in it?). Oh well.

True18 11-23-2004 08:58 PM

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Originally posted by Shortfuse
Getting physical? We're not going to hit women. But throwing blows should be the LAST thing on your mind. I'll talk to frat who wrote it and it'll be done. But let's chill on the threats that YOU can't back up.


Have anice fucking day.

I didn't mention anything about getting physical.

I didn't make any threats.

I was talking about speaking face-to-face as mature adults.


God Bless.
~Tru :)

Senusret I 11-23-2004 09:05 PM

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Originally posted by Shortfuse
Sensuret I, I feel that you should chill off of the pot shots that you've been taken at my chapter. If you or any PERSON felt THAT disrespected feel free to contact me or meet me on campus.

I have not taken any pot shots at your chapter. If your chapter runs the yard, so be it.

PrettyKittieJ 11-23-2004 09:05 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by True18
I didn't mention anything about getting physical.

I didn't make any threats.

I was talking about speaking face-to-face as mature adults.


God Bless.
~Tru :)

Yes Im NOT CRAZY AND BLIND! I didnt think that you did - but thank you for confirming that. :D

True18 11-23-2004 09:08 PM

It's me again, and I have a question: Did anyone really read my article?

I don't understand all the negative attention this is getting, especially since my reason for writing the piece was to foster understanding and communication among organizations. I didn't personally attack anyone, I didn't call anyone out. I'm just disappointed that Greek organizations (not just the two conversating on this board) are at each other's throats. It's not just Alpha Phi Omega and Phi Beta Sigma. It goes across the board.

So, once again, here is what I wrote. And if ANYONE has a question, please contact me. This was not suppose to blow up into the ruckus it has become.

* * * * * * * * *
I knew nothing about Greek organizations until I stepped foot on Howard's campus in 2001. It was in my freshman year that I learned about fraternities and sororities and realized their place on a college campus and in -- quoting the famous slogan - "the global community." I learned that these organizations were more than just colors and a call; their purpose, though stated and pursued in many different ways, is to serve and to foster kinship in their ranks.

But as I learned about the positive things that every organization had to offer, I also saw discord, disapproval and sometimes, downright disrespect between different Greek letter organizations. It became even more apparent when I became a member of one. It was alarming at first, and now, it's just disappointing. I'm elated when I see friendships and partnerships between different organizations, but that is often overshadowed by the negative energy thrown back and forth between groups. Instead of appreciating each other's strengths and working together to enhance life at this university, the very organizations that are supposed to exemplify the college experience (in scholarship, leadership, service, friendship and other aspects) are trivializing and tearing down each other. Friends, we have got to do better.

It's fine to have pride in your letters and actually, I'd be highly concerned if someone didn't. But it's never okay to question why someone else chose other letters. It's never okay to dismiss another organization because they are "unknown," because they are small in numbers, or because they use canes when they step or because of any other inconsequential reason. People join their organization because they felt it was right for them, and they should be able to display their love for their letters without question. One should give the same respect that they would like to be given when it comes to their organization.

It's true that some fraternities or sororities may not be as well known as others at Howard. When I wear my letters I'm asked questions from people who haven't heard of my fraternity, and I welcome them because some genuinely want to know about it. But an organization's lack of celebrity doesn't make it okay for others to disrespect it. To those who criticize and question the existence of "unknown" Greeks, realize and understand that somebody somewhere doesn't know about your organization.

Realize also, that non Pan-Hellenic organizations are not "fronting like [they] are Pan-Hell." It's clear that they're not. Rather, they are defining their own images, setting their own traditions and building their own legacies. The benefits of being in a non-NPHC organization do extend beyond Howard, just as much as they do if one is a member of the NPHC. Every Greek organization on this campus is a part of a national (or even international) body with tens or hundreds of thousands of members that impact the world outside of Howard.

Every organization fills a need. They are all unique, with different goals and ideals, and yet have the common purpose of fostering brotherhood or sisterhood on a college campus. They should only have to be concerned with fulfilling their purpose, serving their communities, and not with defending their colors or calls. Divine Nine or not, they each have a place on this campus, and they all deserve respect for what they do.

True18 11-23-2004 09:10 PM

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Originally posted by PrettyKittieJ
Yes Im NOT CRAZY AND BLIND! I didnt think that you did - but thank you for confirming that. :D
LOL.... My bad. I wasn't talking to you Miss Kittie, but to Shortfuse.

:)

PrettyKittieJ 11-23-2004 10:00 PM

True 18 - you are so smart and well spoken. I know that I sound like a 12 year old saying that - but honestly the way that you formulated your articles there is no way that I could EVER sound like that. I guess that is why you are writing and I am not. But seriously I wanted to give props where the are do and tell you to keep up the good work!

As for you ShortFuse - I really cant say much more to you b/c I cant respond to someone who seems like they can barely be approached. You are taking peoples words completely out of context - Im not even sure that you read everyone's responses or articles. All you did was see "Zeta Phi Beta Sigma" and get on the defensive.


And by the way - is this a better color for you?

sweete81 11-23-2004 10:05 PM

A few things...
 
True...

You know that you are a stuff starter:p It is always you!!! I mean gosh, can't you be peaceful for just once:p But seriously, Veronica, you know I feel where you are coming from...sometimes people read the back and inside cover and think that they have read the entire book...Don't stress about it because the issue...it is over and done with...

PrettyKittie...
Congrats to you! You really deserve it...

9

P.S. Since when someone can use profanity on GC...I thought that it censors cursewords

PrettyKittieJ 11-23-2004 10:07 PM

Re: A few things...
 
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Originally posted by sweete81

P.S. Since when someone can use profanity on GC...I thought that it censors cursewords

I was wondering the same thing! B/c it came off even more harsh and sarcastic when he used that obsenity.

Thank you so much for the congrats. Im so happy - every day Im running around like this :D

Dionysus 11-23-2004 10:09 PM

This thread is a HOT MESS! :o

True18 11-23-2004 10:15 PM

'Dwina!!!

Thanks. I get emotional sometimes ("Can't we all just get along?!") Where the hee haw are you? I miss you man!

Miss Kittie,
Thanks to you too, boo. :D

~Tru


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