Does your school have a judiciary board? A disciplinary board? If it's a fraternity guy, is there an IFC "standards" board?

The biggest part of the problem is that this man is a RAPIST, and he needs to come to the realization of what he's done. Also, there needs to be something in writing to prove that he's done this at least once, because if he does it again, I hope he ends up doing 10-20 with a 500-pound roomie named Bubba!

I have mixed views on this--- while in college I would have said "rape" in a heartbeat.
Now, I am not sure what I would technically call it--- I will call it wrong.
You don't have sex with someone who is passed out, if that was the case---
but... i will play devils advocate here.... ( and i am sure you all will flame away)---Did James ever say that she didn't give consent? She could have been very much willing to have sex, even a drunken state of consent could have been given. We don't know. How many times have you all been drunk, made decisions, done something, whatever it was-- been told about it the next morning, don't remember it--the moment could be gone from your mind, all but a few seconds of the events-- but you weren't passed out, but yet you don't remember. You may not have made the best decision on your life, but you did make the choice to do the action. This very well could been the case.
Should the guy get 5-10 yrs in prison--NO.
Should the girl learn to take better control of her health and personal safety-- YES
Should the guy learn to make wiser choices-- YES
Should her friend get her ass kicked for leaving her "alone" in an altered state--YES.

James I think you should kick his ass.

James doesn't want to go to jail.

What if the dude was just as drunk or messed up?!?

Society tends to throw everything and anything on the guy.

-Rudey

okay....... I think James should hire someone to beat him up. ;)

good point rudey.
chances are the guy was pretty trashed himself, impairing his decision making skills. but seeing as how there was a DD in the picture, i'd imagine that he would have tried to help the situation.

shelley j
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James, how is your friend doing?

BINGO! The unchallenged part, and what I was insinuating in my previous post about the law/legality of consent, was that it applies to EVERYONE regardless of what you're doing or what your gender is.

If he was intoxicated, he can't legally give consent either.

So what now?

I'm surprised that people who agree that this was a rape situation would recommend getting the guy beat up or therapy.

If it were up to me, I would charge him with the mandatory minimum for sexual assualt. Date Rape=Rape.

And another thing. Her girlfriend was not got a good friend for leaving her at a party full of guys.


Rudey,

Last I checked, girls get raped by men far more often than the other way around.

When was the last time you checked? What did you check? And what the fuck does this have to do with what I said?

A couple years ago this happened at Brown University. Two kids got drunk, had fun, and because the girl was drunk it didn't matter if the guy was. He was kicked out (or left after immense pressure) and his life was ruined. What a load of crock.

Now I don't know what happened. I think most of you don't either. But I think I'll wait before I just randomly throw out a nasty word like rape out there.

-Rudey

Being drunk isn't a defense to a crime though. It may go towards showing the intent, but it's not a defense.

Which in this sort of situation makes the water a little murky

Society tends to put the burden on the males, because they commit higher proportions of the rapes.

I wasn't trying to make it a defense. I'm saying if both people are impaired and both make the decision, then I don't understand why only one person is punished or if any even should be.

-Rudey

I had to delete a few recent posts in this thread. Please play nice or I'm going to have to take out a big ol' lock. ;)