I am addressing it. I'm saying the results of the report are questionable AT BEST. I'm calling into question some information that was left out from the report that I've read -- like who the IBC exactly is other than "American and British Academics". They could be American and British Academics that are in league with Al Qaeda for all I know -- and all you know unless you know something that I don't know.

There are definitely some key items that I laid out (see the # signs, I tried to make it easy for people like you to understand what I was saying) that I'm sure if I were in a governmental position I'd want to make damned sure were addressed before even thinking about responding to the claims of a group like this.

Until a lot of questions are answered about these findings, I don't think anyone can really take them seriously. Maybe the questions will be answered. My bet is that we'll never hear about the IBC again.

I totally agree with you KT. All claims should be checked for its credibility. But if Americans don't investigate those claims, and we let others do it, we will always speculate its validity.

You're the one talking about taking deep breaths and talking about my school. If anyone needs to take deep breaths and count to 10, it's you...even though it might be difficult to count that high.

-Rudey

I got As in all my math classes (calculus, trig, algebra, etc).

So yeah, I have a problem counting to 10.


Good one. You win. End of discussion.

I don't really even know why we need to worry about it. The Iraqi people (unfortunately) had to ultimately pay a serious price for their freedom -- as have many peoples in times of political upheaval. I'm sure that we accidently killed French civilians in WWII. I'm positive we killed MANY more than 10,000 civilians in Germany when we liberated them from Hitler. They're not entitled anything from us for this. We've paid for their freedom with the lives of our young people. How about they pay us back for that?

It would be nice to have a true and accurate number of civilian casualties. But I don't think it's any kind of priority to anyone of note for any other purpose than being fodder for propaganda. There are much more important things to dedicate resources to in Iraq. This falls waaay down on the list of priorities.

So basically you're so upset that you had to tell me what classes you took and what grades? Great job because I don't know what calculus, trigonometry, and algebra have to do with counting to 10. Perhaps you should have paid more attention.

-Rudey
--It's called Arithmetic.

ktsnake is correct... there were actually around 20,000 French killed in the D-Day operations alone; it is an unfortunate fact that civilians die in military operations. I also would love to see a breakdown of the civilian casaulties in Iraq, broken down by date and region... this would allow an accurate image to be formed, instead of just simple numbers... the context is as, if not more important, than a factual bodycount.

Why not? Even people who are doing the greater good, might still be using the wrong means to an end. Yeah, we should go in there, get some solid stats, and maybe in the future, train soldiers on how to prevent friendly-fires and civilian-casualties. Its about doing the right thing and preserving human life. Are you just going to look the other way, until something worse than Abu graib happens?

Like decapitating American soldiers?

-Rudey

Rudey,

Unfortunately, terrorists were responsible for that. And that is not the topic at hand, dear.

If terrorists weren't supported by "civilians"...
If terrorists didn't pretend they were "civilians"...
If terrorists didn't hide out among "civilians"...

If terrorists and bloody killers just sat at home and didn't attack Americans, then there would be a lot less civilian casualties.

-Rudey

I trust that the military has been and is continuing to improve its strategies when it comes to limiting civilian casualties. Again, I don't think that this "final count" would serve any useful purpose there.

Any after-action analysis of civilian deaths will be helpful, as more the information can be gleaned from the cause and context of these deaths the easier is for military planners to prevent (if possible) these types of casualties in the future. Whether it is the analysis of weapons, tactics, strategy, supply, morale, or intelleligence I'm sure there will be changes made to the operational considerations in relation to civilians... the same process is conducted after ever operation to determine what if anything can be learned from from the experience.

I was more-less agreeing with you. I stated that the military was probably already conducting such operations. However, I think a 'final count' number greater than one will have more propaganda than practical purpose.