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Rudey 05-05-2004 04:22 PM

The African group was the one to nominate Sudan. It is the African group that I find to be the biggest idiots of all. They nominated Sudan, Kenya, Togo, and Guinea. Aside from Kenya, the other 3 massacre their own citizens.

The appointment of Sudan is the biggest outrage. The whole council is a sham from the appointment of Libya to the appointment of Cuba.

http://www.economist.com/agenda/disp...ory_id=2646661

-Rudey

enlightenment06 05-05-2004 05:25 PM

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Originally posted by Rudey
From my understanding the council is broken up into w europe, e europe, latin america, n america, asia, and africa. There were several members on the council who sat there and did not vote against it.
-Rudey

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For being the smallest continent, I think it's interesting that Europe is split into east and west, effectively giving Europe two seats.

It also shows, in my opinion, the supremacist thinking of western Europe.
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Rudey 06-20-2004 01:40 PM

How come African-Americans are not as informed or active in regards to the Sudanese ethnic cleansing?

I don't understand this.

-Rudey

Kevin 06-20-2004 01:45 PM

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Originally posted by enlightenment06
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For being the smallest continent, I think it's interesting that Europe is split into east and west, effectively giving Europe two seats.

It also shows, in my opinion, the supremacist thinking of western Europe.
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It has to do with post-WWII Soviet occupation. 50 years of Communist imperial rule will have an effect on your culture.

Optimist Prime 06-21-2004 01:04 AM

African countries where federalism has worked to drastically reduce tribal/ethnic conflict:
Nigeria
South Africa
Ethiopia

I think that a similar structure would end hostilites in the Sudan, as well as Israel.

moe.ron 06-21-2004 01:31 AM

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Originally posted by Optimist Prime
African countries where federalism has worked to drastically reduce tribal/ethnic conflict:
Nigeria
South Africa
Ethiopia

I think that a similar structure would end hostilites in the Sudan, as well as Israel.

South Africa has a republican form of government.

Rudey 06-21-2004 10:41 AM

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Originally posted by moe.ron
South Africa has a republican form of government.
*psssst* He's not being serious.

-Rudey

Optimist Prime 06-22-2004 12:57 AM

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Originally posted by Rudey
*psssst* He's not being serious.

-Rudey

They're a Federal Republic.

Republican doesn't mean Pat Robertson/big business alliance.

Optimist Prime 06-22-2004 01:00 AM

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Originally posted by moe.ron
South Africa has a republican form of government.
They were on a list of Federalist nations. Federalism can exist in many forms. As a seperatist Republic (i.e. the US) as a monarchy (i.e. Spain) as a parlimentarian Republic (i.e. Cananda) as a Republic of Republics (i.e Russia), as a group of allied principalities (i.e. United Arab Emirates), etc. See in Swizzerland at the International Conference.

James 06-22-2004 01:19 AM

Africa is worth 3 armies on the Risk board if you own the whole continent.

abaici 06-22-2004 01:38 AM

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Originally posted by Rudey
How come African-Americans are not as informed or active in regards to the Sudanese ethnic cleansing?

I don't understand this.

-Rudey


As Enlight06 stated, this is not a new topic. This issue has been the topic of discussion in certain circles for some time.

One thing...why are you singling out African Americans. African-Americans are not the only group who should take an active part in protesting this atrocity.

PhiPsiRuss 06-22-2004 12:27 PM

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Originally posted by James
Africa is worth 3 armies on the Risk board if you own the whole continent.
Its not worth taking. Too many countries, and too much of a border to defend. I like South America better. Once you take, you can look to invade Africa or North America.

Senusret I 06-22-2004 09:43 PM

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Originally posted by Rudey
How come African-Americans are not as informed or active in regards to the Sudanese ethnic cleansing?

I don't understand this.

-Rudey

Rudey,

Neither do I. But I agree with your assessment.

Possibly the average African American doesn't identify with Sudan. In DC, the predominant African immigrants are Nigerians, mostly Igbo and Yoruba. Sudanese are few and far between. So, the issue isn't as personalized in my community.

The teaching of African history and principles on the primary and intermediate levels tends to be Pan-African. Prime example is Kwanzaa. It is an African American cultural celebration, and not really "African" -- it's elements are African, but not especially "Nigerian" or "Ghanaian."

There are lots of countries in Africa, and we don't do a good job at giving them each a unique identity when educating black children about Africa.

This also goes back to parenting....if the parents don't know, the children won't know.

I don't really have a solid answer to your question, though. It bothers me also, and I won't pretend as though most African Americans I know are aware of this issue or care to make it a pet cause. I would dare say that it is considered a "fringe" among the average black folks I see every day.

Rudey 06-22-2004 11:02 PM

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Originally posted by abaici
As Enlight06 stated, this is not a new topic. This issue has been the topic of discussion in certain circles for some time.

One thing...why are you singling out African Americans. African-Americans are not the only group who should take an active part in protesting this atrocity.

What circles? Is it on the same level as South African Apartheid?

As for singling African Americans out for an African issue, I think it's fair. I guess maybe Americans - white or black - are so mixed that their origins outside of this country are dead. Maybe I dont' understand because of that. But what I do understand is that other issues internationally are emphasized but not this. That's what I want to know.

And yes all groups should be active in protesting this atrocity and I loathe the fact that the world let another genocide happen.

-Rudey

moe.ron 06-23-2004 03:34 AM

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Originally posted by Senusret I
There are lots of countries in Africa, and we don't do a good job at giving them each a unique identity when educating black children about Africa.
I would say that most universities does a piss poor job in teaching African Study. I never liked the fact that it's "African Study." Why you might ask? I would say that AFrica is a huge continent. If you look at Asian Studies, most big universities divide them into different regions. Cornell has East Asia, South East Asia, South Asia and Middle East Concentration. Yet, they only have African Concentration. All the region are vastly different from each other. They all also have their own regional grouping. East Africa has ECOWAS. North Africa has the Maghreb Union. Southern Africa has SADC. I wish the universities would do a better job in specializing of African regions.


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