You have gots to be kidding me....

Are you serious?

I know you have to play devil's advocate because it helps the discussion but offending people is out of the question.

How old are you, like five?
It's their right if they want to rep their GLO in their sig.

Have a good evening........:D

I try not to unless offended! :)

Or they are offending others.:)

There is a large differnece when people are attacked by others!:(

Obviously I'm coming at this from an outsider's perspective, but it does make sense to me that he would want to be a member of the national organization, knew that the local members beating him were violating its rules and policies, and felt that they should be called out for THEIR criminal behavior, which in his opinion didn't reflect on the fraternity as a whole (and in fact was hurting the fraternity as a whole). If he had the bad luck to attend a campus with some rogue undergrad members, why shouldn't he still want to join...and once he had joined, why shouldn't he ask those responsible for his injuries to accept the consequences of their actions?

Is this what happened? Who knows. But to me, it's plausible.

I agree - especially after all the talk about not joining one chapter but joining an entire organization. Either way, I'll say it again with cases like these it's best to let the legal teams handle it because nobody knows.

-Rudey

write in cohesive english, numbnuts.

I feel you! I completely agree with him calling those members on his campus out on their behavior (why don't more people sue the INDIVIDUALS responsible, i/o the org?) but he was complicit in that behavior while it was going on. I think my bigger problem is with LETTING SOMEONE D--N NEAR KILL YOU to begin with!!! That is just so crazy to me, that I don't understand why you'd let someone do that to you. Period. In my opinion, if you're allowing someone to beat you to a bloody pulp to join an organization, your motives and mindset are suspect, because that's not what ANY org is about. How can he really say he loves KAPsi that much, when he was participating in actions run by people who were spitting in the face of everything KAPsi stands for? I just don't know... the whole situation is just sad on so many levels...

If he had ratted before, would he have gotten in?

-Rudey

Maybe. I have heard of people being barred from membership for willfully participating in hazing, and I have also heard of people being initiated anyway.

Assuming that the final decision still remains in the chapter's hands, then probably not. But in cases where there are hazing allegations, I would wager that the Regional Director or some other official would make the final initiation decision if the chapter was indeed found to be hazing.

Who knows.

If he had ratted before, theres a good chance the chapter would've been closed...so he probably wouldnt have been initiated

Raymond McKoy responds (in Emory Newsp.)
 

My Dear Brothers,

Graphic pics of my wounds are on my webpage,http://www.geocities.com/raymondmcko...ageceltic.html

Let me first thank everyone for their support and comments, especially the negative ones. Ignorance like that is truly funny and I had quite a nice laugh reading it. I fell on the floor laughing in fact. Then I realized that I almost committed suicide from being hazed and being drugged from not knowing it and I stopped laughing. However, your ignorance, though it may destroy our frat, is just what people need to see so they know how bad this stuff is.

Let it be known that none of my "illnesses" were present before all of this. As most intelligent people know, drugs affect one's brain chemistry, and given that I was drugged with extacy, ketamine (special K) and rohypnol (ruffies) my "Illnesses" were triggered by this. My father and uncle are bipolar and there is alcoholism and drug abuse on both sides of my family. As such, I am quite sensitive to drugs and never use them. Except of course when they are used to make me suffer through things no sane man would.

Hazing needs to stop. Do it for Diggs. Do it for yourself and your sons.


Yours in the Bond,

Raymond McKoy

Update
 

Tue, Feb. 08, 2005

Citing paddles and hot wax, former pledge files hazing lawsuit

Associated Press


ATLANTA - Saying he was hazed and beaten as a pledge, a former Emory University student has filed a civil lawsuit against a fraternity and several former members.

Raymond McKoy said he was beaten with canes and paddles and tortured with hot wax. He said he was also subjected to humiliation while pledging at Kappa Alpha Psi fraternity in spring 2003.

McKoy suffered brain damage and "emotional injury," prompting him to drop out of school, the lawsuit filed in DeKalb County on Monday states. McKoy was a Woodruff scholar with a full scholarship before pledging, his lawyer, Benjamin Barrett, said.

Fraternity officials could not be reached for comment, but university officials said the fraternity was sanctioned after the hazing was reported.

Update from Emory paper
 

http://www.emorywheel.com/vnews/disp.../420bd4187e27b

Ex-student files suit against frat for hazing

By Rachel Zelkowitz
Asst. News Editor
February 11, 2005


A former Emory student filed a civil suit on Monday in response to hazing and abuse he allegedly suffered during his pledge period to the Kappa Alpha Psi, Inc. fraternity last March.

Raymond McKoy, a former Woodruff scholar, claimed to have been beaten, caned, scalded with hot wax, treated as a slave and otherwise assaulted and humiliated by fraternity brothers.

Defendants in the suit include the Kappa Alpha Psi, Inc. national fraternity, the Nu Delta chapter — Emory’s former KAPsi chapter — and nine individuals allegedly involved in the hazing. The suit asserts that these defendants subjected McKoy to “dangerous hazing” in defiance of the national fraternity regulations, Emory policy and Georgia state law.

Deb Hammacher, associate director of public affairs, said that Emory will not issue an official response to the suit, as the University was not identified among the defendants.

The Kappa Alpha Psi, Inc. fraternity could not be reached for comment on the suit.

In a letter to the Wheel last April, McKoy said he would not sue KAPsi.

In the suit, McKoy charges the defendants on eight separate offenses.

The first accuses the defendants of negligence in both committing the acts of hazing and, in the case of the national fraternity, failing to intervene to stop the hazing and “failing to develop and enforce a standard of conduct reasonably designed to prevent hazing and eliminate underground hazing.”

The second and third counts charge the defendants with committing unlawful hazing and breaching their responsibility for McKoy’s safety.

Additionally, the defendants are accused of breaching their duty to aid or rescue McKoy after he was “exposed to dangerous activities” and breaching the fraternity’s agreement with Emory not to haze pledges.

The fifth count deals with two specific individuals, charging that they “created unreasonably dangerous conditions to exist on their properties which resulted in injuries to Raymond.”

As part of his pledging process, McKoy was taken to alumni’s homes over the course of several nights where he was subjected to physical abuse.

The sixth count charges the individuals with extortion. Benjamin Barrett, McKoy’s lawyer, said that McKoy was forced to call his parents and ask for money on several occasions. The Nu Delta brothers claimed almost $5,000 from McKoy for use by the fraternity, Barrett said.

The last two counts in the suit are “intentional infliction of emotional distress” and “assault and battery.”

“As a direct result of the assault and battery committed by the defendants against him, Raymond suffered terrible pain, personal and emotional injury and medical and other expenses, withdrew from his academic studies, and has suffered, and will in the future suffer, from these and other damages,” the suit charged.

McKoy withdrew from the University at the end of March to undergo treatment for bipolar disorder, which he said was triggered on March 7 by head injuries incurred during the hazing.

McKoy’s lawyers advised him not to comment on the suit, according to McKoy’s mother.

On its Web site, the fraternity declares to have outlawed hazing in 1949.

Barrett said he felt McKoy had a strong case, although the suit itself might last several years.

“It will probably be awhile before everyone gets lawyers and they all get involved in the case,” he said. “And the national frat is going to say we told them not to haze. Everyone has a side to the story.”

The civil suit includes photographs revealing the extent of McKoy’s bodily injuries.

Despite holding such “strong” evidence, Barrett refused to predict the outcome of the suit.

Nor would he offer a conjecture as to how much McKoy would request in damages.

“The real purpose is to make change, to make sure this doesn’t happen to other people,” Barrett said.

Assistant Dean of Students and Director of Student Conduct Andy Wilson said McKoy’s experience with Kappa Alpha Psi was the first Emory-fraternity hazing offense “in recent memory.”

The Conduct Council began an investigation into the allegations in early April, as previously reported in the Wheel.

Wilson said that after a full investigation of the incident, the University elected to suspend the Nu Delta chapter for at least three years, after which time the chapter may appeal to the Interfraternity Council to resume official recognition by the Interfraternity Council.

“Hazing is a very serious violation, and this is our most serious punishment,” Wilson said. “This situation was unfortunate and sad and is not something we want students to experience as part of our fraternity-sorority systems.”

Wilson declined to comment on the cases of individuals brought before the Conduct Council, citing the Family Educational Rights and Privacy Act, which prohibits a school official from releasing confidential information about a student without written consent.

the whole thing about welts and bruises sucks, screw physical hazing, and screw hazing that isn't with purpose that promotes unity and teaches life lessons. silly rabbits, you cant beat brotherhood into someone.

A victim
 

A picture from the hazee's web page

Hazing, no matter the form, is illegal.