Re: school threatening to get rid of serenades.
 

[/QUOTE]", each sorority is given 10 minutes at whichever frat house they choose to go to, (approx 10-15) and do a dance and skit. usually bar clothes are worn and people traditionally drink. it's a chance to have fun and how off how hot the greek community is to each other. " [/QUOTE]


OK, correct me if I am wrong, but:

1) it sounds like you just told everyone that your chapter dresses slutty, gets drunk and trolls "frat" houses in an attempt to get them to want to hang out with you socially.

2) you actually used the word frat


3) way to perpetuate the stereotypes and negative media publicity, your founders would be proud:rolleyes:

Also, James, the idea behind policing serenades is the same as the idea behind our alcohol/social policies: we police ourselves before the administration has to step in, so that one chapter doesn't ruin it for all of us.

The problem, IMO, is that we have been slapping chapters on the wrist for violating rules. Really, if you get totally out of control at serenades, and all the fraternities think it is awesome (which they inevitably do) and you have a great social calendar, you are gonna be okay with paying a $50 fine for inappropriate lyrics.

What SHOULD happen (again, this is all in my most humble opinion) is that PHC would step it up in terms of punishments. Wipe out a chapter's social calendar if that is what you have to do. Fine them enough that they will actually notice (chapters on my campus are operating on annual budgets of $30K+, not including housing). Prevent them from serenading at all the following semester. This crap about "educational punishments" is just that, crap.

Right. I never understood why some rush infractions go by with no hefty response either. If my sorority could walk away at quota for a slap on the rest . . . thats not a bad strategy.

In this case we are talking about situations that can get chapters removed entirely by administrations. And we are often talking about some of the "grayer' areas of our social programming.

A lot of campuses, especially in the NE, do not have PHCs or IFCs that are involved in a lot of the social and other aspects of chapter lives.

So what I am trying to say is that type of Power is not intrinsic to a PHC, its something that evolves, often with a lot of administrative input by the school.

In a pro-greek school, they are not really looking to be hard on a greek system, unless they are forced to notice. With hundreds of people looking for social infractions, you are much more likely to have to face administrative punishment even for frivolous things.

In an anti-greek school often the PHC or IFC becomes a tool in the hands of the administration to weed out chapters for . . . again . . often frivolous reasons.

I understand what you are saying about punishment Deltabetababy, but some of that is the problem that the PHC or IFC as pressured or manipulated into passing a rule against something they don't think is that serious.

They have to make it against the rules but they show that its more like jaywalking to them by making the punishment really light.

Another tangental problem to judicial IFCs and PHCs is that I have heard stories of favortitism, and certain rules getting enforced on certain chapters depending on who was on the exec board or the judicial committee . . .

Well anyhow . . I hope y'all save your serenades.

Interesting perspective. You are right...chapters are out to get each other, when the administration would probably never notice.

And to clarify, I am not at Illinois anymore, so I don't really give a damn what happens to serenades.