I think someone needs to really write them... i look in old scrapbooks from my chapter and I have seen articles that did such a thing, but no local newspaper here would publish an article like that now...

let's say company xyz has employee's who come foward with an allegation of mistreatment, then naturally it gets media coverage. off the top of your head, how many high profile, or even semi high profile allegations of mistreatment or abuse do you hear about that are completely unfounded? someone may have an axe to grind or is seeking to make a name, sure, but that in and of itself doesn't rend the allegations null and void.

i understand that if public allegations are made regarding policy or abuse within co.xyz, there will be people involved or employed there who may not be tied to the allegation of wrong doing and will naturally feel that they and everyone there are being lumped into a general misconception, or perceived public perception.
a portion of those people are probably justified, another portion simply doesn't want everyone knowing their dirty secrets. and let's face it, dirty secrets make the news, not everyday, normal routines that don't involve scandal.

to refer to hazing as merely an aspect of a "sordid past" convey's the message that it no longer occurs, and if you know people or even take a look at the news coverage regarding hazing throughout this country, it is quite "present" and not a long gone "past". i don't think that any one person's "true life account" can tell the whole story either way, but it depends on what goes on at that person's school. the ones who have been hazed or haze will paint it one way, and probably with more emotion if they feel it's wrong than those who aren't exposed to it.

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This was on the site next to an ad for Neiman Marcus. Too bad they don't use the same policy for some of their articles.

Regardless of whether or not hazing still occurs, to present an event that happened in the 1970's as relevant to today is as asinine as sending out brochures for Princeton/Dartmouth/name formerly all male or all femal school without mentioning the fact that it is now coed, or protesting (name cosmetic company here) for animal testing when they ceased animal testing in 1984.

Anyone who is a real journalist doesn't need to dig up ancient events for a "state of whatever today" as confirmation. It just makes it seem like hazing is so hard to find today that she had to find 30 year old incidents to cite - thus achieving the opposite of what she set out to achieve.

someone also said that some of hazings in this article(which i admittedly haven't read)took place in the late 90's, which isn't so long ago. i guess it all depends on where you're at as to whether you think something like this is merely sensationalism or legitimate warning. when it comes to hazing though, i don't believe that there's two sides to the story; it's wrong, period, despite any justifications.

Did she even bother to list the dates that these incidents happened??
If she didn't that'S poor journalism. she should know better. When I write papers for school 99% of the time our professors tell us we can not use sources more that 2 years old. Why, because they want recent examples. Things that apply toady, not things that happened years ago and don't really apply in todays society.
If she were writing this for a class I'm going to assume that she would fail.

It's just sickening to rad about someone else's slanted perceptions of what we're all about. At my school, the closest thing I ever saw to hazing was one sorority (not NPC one) had their girls wear a necklace that said PLEDGE on it in big red letters. That's all I ever saw.

One person's biased views hurt us all.

GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR!!!!:mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:

I finally read the article. She makes me so mad. She writes like every sorority girl everywhere over the entire history of our organizations has suffered like this.

How many times do we have to sit and say this never happened to me! This doesn't happen everywhere!

Unfortunately, Ms. Robbins is also highlighted in the latest edition of People. So frustrating.

Took the words right out of my mouth! :) I saw the blurb and was like "Oh Sh*t!"

She also got a half-page article on the back of the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel's op-ed section on Sunday all about secret societies.

what this woman needs instead of more publicity is a bitch slap upside the head...ooops did i say that out loud.?

Yes. But not loud enough. :p

to concerned451

You should know something about us on Greekchat. We do NOT condone hazing, or the people that do it (I don't even support the people who let it happen to them, because I think you have a choice, but no everyone agrees on that point).
If a chapter of my sorority was caught hazing I would not tolerate it for one minute, and no one else here would either. If you want to come on and tell us how bad hazing is you are preaching to the chior! We already agree. :-)

ETA:
My bf is the rush chair of his faternity and I think anyone against greek life should read these little ditties he wrote:

"We like to say that their is no typical Sigma Nu which to me means we value diversity tremendously- diversity of race, interests, majors, philosophies and politics. We have beer drinkers and teatotalers, athletes and intelectuals, techies and fuzzies. We value men that have other interests; we want you to be involved with the fraternity, but we don't want the fraternity to be your whole life. We try and cultivate men who will be leaders on campus and beyond. We like to socalize, but we also emphasize honor (the hallmark of Sigma Nu) and respect toward women."

My favorite line? We emphasize respect toward women.

Here's a few lines from his article, "Why every freshman should rush":


"...What do you feel the most important thing is that you can take from your time here? Your GPA? Membership in an honors society?

I would submit to you that the most valuable resource here is our fellow students. If you come out of school with several real, lasting friendships, then I would count you as truly successful. I am continually in awe of all the amazing things that Stanford students do; you might never again have such a rich resource of really cool people from whom to learn.

I have no doubt that everyone here is super intelligent, but I’m not quite as certain that some are wise enough to contemplate what they want to gain from their Stanford experience. Get good grades, but for Pete’s sake don’t spend so much time working on stuff to enhance your resume that you don’t spend time developing meaningful relationships with the people around you. The “deathbed perspective” means picturing yourself lying on your deathbed, looking back and taking stock. What will be most important to you? I’m guessing it will be your family first, your close friends second and everything else a distant third.

Now, if you buy my perspective that your bonds with others are what is most important in life, maybe you’ll understand why I’m so pro-fraternity. As a freshman, I was firmly against fraternities because of all the stereotypes: I didn’t want to join a group of people that engaged in silly hazing, disrespected women, drank beer, partied a lot and just generally lived shallower lives.

Also, I am very anti-elitist, and I didn’t like the idea that a group of strangers would judge my social worth and how “cool” I was and that I would get accepted or rejected based upon how I acted in a couple of interactions with fraternity members. Coming back to school 10 years later, I knew from the start that I wanted to join a fraternity: I was already missing the camaraderie from SWAT, the police and the Army. When I joined my fraternity at the end of the rush process last spring, I instantly gained 50 new friends — and what a group we have.

The men are respectful toward women, take care of their academics before partying, have plenty of friends outside the fraternity and, in my opinion, tend to lead deeper — not shallower — lives. I know that there are lots of great guys in other fraternities who are equally proud of their own groups.

In the sort of hectic, resume-building, activity-laden, pre-professional schedules most students keep, I have a lot of concern that it becomes difficult for people to build many meaningful relationships (see “The Organization Kid” from the Atlantic April 2001 for a great discussion of this).

...Being in a fraternity enforces balance in students’ lives. It ensures that you’re nurturing what’s most important while you’re nurturing your future career."

I have an Idea
 

why don't we all collaborate on a book about sorority life? How about everyone tells a true story about something that happened to them during their collegiate years of sorority life, it dosen't necessairly have to be positive in fact a good mix of stories would paint a more realistic picture. I'm sure we have enough collective knowledge on here to get it published. I think a book that is honest is long overdue.