JAM I've brought up issues I had with the movie and every single person has side stepped them. In fact the idea of saying someone has to see this movie before they can comment is ridiculous. Furthermore, I don't care if people are sensitive to MY feelings. But what nobody seems to be able to grasp is that you cannot begin to understand how a people can feel if you are not them; it's incredibly condescending to keep saying you don't understand or that they are wrong in their sentiments.

-Rudey

I think that it doesn't require a a very active imagination to picture the mechanics of a death worst than crucifixtion.

Crucifixtion wasn't even the worse death of the ancient world.

I can grasp this and maybe it's why I sidestepped the issue. Because I can't begin to understand, just like you said Rudey.

And also, I don't agree with the people saying "you have to see the movie for yourself to understand" because in essence, everyone is going to take different things from the movie and there are going to be different opinions about certain things that happened.

If more people were a little more educated in the events surrounding this movie they might have at least a small understanding of how people might feel without having to see the movie. Yet, I'm sure there will also be people that take this movie as a movie of historical facts...sigh.

I just came from the movie and it was a frustrating experience for me, since these girls behind me would not stop talking. I turned to them and said, "Girls, would you please stop talking? It's very distracting." And did they? NO. :mad:

I think it needs to be explained that the way in which you die from crucifixion is through suffocation, not by bleeding to death (this was explained to me by a guy who worked in the ministry and he also had an anthopology background, so he knew what he was talking about). When a person is nailed up, in time, they are fatigued and cannot lift their body enough in order to retract the diaphragm to allow for the ability to bring air into the lungs.

Actually, the islamic civilization did not, in fact, descend from the Roman empire. And Islam came after the death of Jesus.

Sorry, continue discussion.......

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/02/28/ar...ORD.html?8hpib

Some of you might find this interesting.

-Rudey

Please copy and paste the article. That link is requesting to register and login and all that and I'm certainly not going to.

I don't want to break any rules by doing that and if you're too lazy to take 10 seconds to sign up, I'd certainly rather you not ask me to do the work for you.

-Rudey

All i have to say to the last part of your statement of your strongly held opinion Justamom isAMEN! .

This country has been lacking so much of the moral fabric it was created upon and i hope maybe this film will be the one thing to take back our country and get back to basics. Now please i don't want any negative PMs or emails because these are just my opinions and everyone is entitled to their own opinions.

My pastor said one sunday before it came out and we all saw it as a church.... he said you should take your un churched friends to see it and it will change their lives dramtically.

However, I saw it with my church and I must say it was the most powerful movie i have ever seen. Mel Gibson ....wow.....what a movie and i dont even want to call it a movie....just extrodianary! A++++++++++


Oh btw...I was watching Entertainment tonight last night and they had on James Cravizel ( spelling of his name i just dont know) anyhow, he is going to be on the chrystal cathedral televised service on sunday morning talking about the film and how protraying changed his life in so many ways. Should proive to be interesting

Whoa. Just came back. I'm very glad I saw it, although I guess I didn't think it was much different from several other films I've seen of the Crucifixion. I did think it was very well done, easy to follow, especially if you're not too familiar with people/facts. All I can say is that even if you're not Christian, there are still many different levels of the film to identify with or analyze.

My one rant for the day is this: I sat next to a 45 year old man and his wife who LAUGHED for the entire movie. LAUGHED. To me, laughing at the Passion is like laughing at Schindler's List. You just don't do it- it's disrespectful. Actually, you know what? Fuck it- it's disrespectful to laugh at ANY movie in which the people around you are crying/somber....it's just common decency to STFU. It was like they came to ruin the movie for everyone else- we're talking, laughter over EVERYTHING. They show a basket of bread, the guy dissolves in laughter. There are clouds moving in the sky and he and his wife are CTFU. I couldn't believe it...so finally (with ten minutes left) I asked him to try to stop because it was really distracting. He apologized- I only wish I would have done it sooner.
What a jackass.

:eek: I can't believe that! He and his wife were laughing?? :eek: You're right - that is disrespectful. You shoulda said "Hey - this is a movie about Christ, so shut up jackass!" -- heehee - can only imagine the looks you woulda gotten ;)

I haven't seen it - probably won't. I don't do well with these types of movies -- not that its anywhere on the same level what-so-ever, but after I saw Legends of the Fall (or, as it is better known - "Everybody including the cow in the fence dies") I was depressed for weeks. I certainly don't think I would do well watching this, but I do wish the movie all the success in the world. I am enjoying hearing everyone's thoughts on it after they have experienced it.

JAM - I loved your post - great job as usual!!

i'm not religious at all. i went to see it thursday with my boyfriend, who had to explain so much to me because mel gibson didn't give any background in the movie. so basically, if you didn't already know the specifics of the story, you wouldn't know exactly who everyone was.

i thought it was extremely well done. i even loved that it was in latin and aramaic with subtitles, even though i thought i would hate that. it was very powerful.

i can't see how the movie is supposed to cause anti-semitic feelings. yes, i found myself getting angry with the jewish leaders and pilate, but not at jews or romans as a whole. that's just silly.

that was one of the most well-done movies i have ever seen.

but i have one major issue---they should not allow 4 and 5 year old children into an R movie, especially at 9:30pm on a school night! what irresponsible parents! they can't even read what is happening. get a freaking babysitter! and if you want your young child to see this especially graphic movie, go on a saturday afternoon when the kid doesn't have school the next day! those kids will be having nightmares for weeks:mad:

Saw it last night...pretty powerful film, the theater was completely silent for about 10 minutes after the movie ended.

I'm not what you would call a "good Catholic;" I attend church every week but my religion doesn't shape my day-to-day life as much as it could (or maybe should).

As far as taking offense to anything in the movie; I'm not a member of one of the groups that could take offense, and don't really feel qualified in any way to speak to that. As a Catholic, the movie blew me away.

I'm not sure if I'd see it again, it was a lot to take. But I guess that's the point...

Here's another educated article that looks at the movie.... (tried to just have a link but it never seem to work properly).


A misguided Passion [article removed & link added by site admin]

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-Rudey