How has he seen the error of his ways? And I'm sorry, but my GLO wasn't founded by WASPs for WASPs so I don't have that problem to deal with. Regardless most people on here that joined, joined after those laws were gone so I don't understand what you're talking about.

-Rudey

According to the New York Times:
Here is a link to the NY Times article.

How is it shunned is what i don't get. The article talks about how he had friends there and enjoyed the people. He doesn't say they were wrong - how did he shun it and if he did, why didn't he say so in this interview??

http://slate.msn.com/id/2093303/ Here's a funny story about Dean not growing up and insulting Clinton.

-Rudey

Rudey, according to the article Dean changed when he lived in England when he was 17. When he went to Yale in 1967, he requested black roommates. I think that the political and social changes at that time transformed him. It seems to me that his time at the Maidstone Club was when his parents were members when he was young. That's what I gleaned from the article.

Maybe "shunned" isn't really a good word to describe this.

Ah yes, England - the joys of hanging out with wealthy people from other countries on your parents dime and still finding the time to worry about other people's troubles but that's a whole other topic.

When he went to England it doesn't say he came back and told his parents the club was wrong. When he got married, much later it doesn't say he told his parents it was wrong. When his mom made that remark he does reply "My mother joined a group that was guilty of being racist and I do not associate with that group and discourage my family from being a part of it." Shunned is definitely not the right world but, moreover, he is pretty darned complacent about it actually it seems.

At the end of the day, he laughs from his mother's remark about not joining the club and brushes it off as if it's just a cute thought his mom had.

-Rudey

I'm really interested in who will be end up on the ticket. I'm not so certain that Bush will be reelected.

I do not like Dean. He can't keep his own thought straight. He makes some outlandish statements. As a conservative, I keep looking for the lessor of the "evils". Who could I actually watch on TV without my blood pressure going sky high!

Yesterday Kerry commented on Dean's appeal to the party to end inside bickering. He said that he was running a clean campaign and a potential candidate for the presidency should be able to stand on his own two feet without running for help...good point.

So far, I guess I could take Leiberman over any of the others.

As a side note-I did consider voting for Nader in the last election.
I think he is a man of principle who truly has the good of the American people in mind. I may not agree with all of his ideas, but
his motives seem to be pure. Often I am left doubting the motivational purity of the politicians on parade by their respective parties.
.....Gore was scum to endorse Dean without alerting Leiberman.
Leiberman wouldn't announce his own candidacy without Gore
stating he wouldn't run.
.......and what the hell is Chaney doing these days???

I feel like Dean is being pushed down our throats as the nominee by the media (fed by the Dem party?,.. not sure who to blame on that one, maybe DeltAlum would have insight into that). I'm a Democrat and know that he's not my personal choice. I'm on the fence between Kerry, Gephart and Clark, I think. There is a debate on CNN at 3 pm EST today and I'm going to make sure I watch it because I don't feel like I know the Dem candidates well enough to make an informed decision and our state's caucus is in February.

As for Cheney.. my mom (who is also a Dem) and I have a theory that he is running the country while Bush is travelling and making appearances all over the place. We decided this back around 9/11 when nobody knew where he was! (will wait for flames from Republicans on that one though, even though it's meant to be a light hearted and teasing comment!) ;)

Dee

I totally agree with this!! Prior to the serious campaigning, I was all about ABB - "Anybody But Bush". But now I'm starting to feel a little ABD - "Anybody But Dean". I am going to watch the debates and polls really closely - Dean really creeps me out, but I really like all of the other "secondary" Democratic candidates that are still out there pushing hard, i.e. Clark, Gephardt, Kerry, Edwards. I'm going to vote for whoever has the best chance of beating Dean in the primary.

aka Democrats

Hahaha I love that, cause mine wasn't either.

Stan Dizzle-
I guess we can't say the same thing about you, can we KA?