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Originally posted by madmax
They are all innocent right? How about the criminals that admitted guilt, the criminals caught on videotape or with the dead body in their freezer.

It is ironic how much crime we have in this country with all these "innocent" people.
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So you are willing to put an "innocent" person in jail forever?
If you are so concerned with innocent people being executed then not take the next step and do away with prisons alltogether?

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The difference is that if an innocent person is jailed, and then found to be innocent, he can be released. An executed person who is later found to be innocent, is still dead.

Our judicial system has always been flawed. This is why our Founding Fathers put provisions into our Constitution to protect us. To remove those protections, such as by implementing the death penalty, is in my opinon profoundly un-American.

See, but then this goes back to the definition of statutory rape. If you're a 19 year old guy with a 16 year old girlfriend and her dad finds out and turns you in, you're a lifetime branded statutory rapist. But if you're a 20 year old who used power or other influence to have sex with like, a 14 year old (even a 17 y.o., it doesn't really matter), you're still a statutory rapist.
Isn't one a little different than the other??

It is, but there's really no way to differentiate. Where do we draw the age difference? 2 years? 3 years? It's hard because of ages of consent also, which currently ranges from 14-18 across the US. While I don't think anyone disputes a 18 year old and a 17 year old are okay, it's hard to draw the line. Personally I think they should pull the younger party (male or female) aside and ask them if they really did consent.

This is just a touchy issue with me because my boyfriend from sophomore of high school and my boyfriend from senior year of high school were technically statutory rapists according to the Wisconsin statutes, even though I definitely knew what I was doing...

Agreed...my point was that a guy doing it with his underage girlfriend shouldn't have the same label as a guy who is a predator for 14 and 15 yr old girls and uses his power or age to take advantage of them.

Also agreed.

The trouble is, the minor has no say in this. In Oklahoma, our age of consent is 16... So it's rarely a problem. Technically, under our statutes (this may just be an urban legend) you can be charged with statutory by just taking the girl's socks off.

It's kind of ridiculous. But how could a politician change it? They'd run the risk of being "pro-teen sex".

I agree with Axjules. Cases of statutory really have to be considered case by case with some common sense.

There was one case where an 18 year old boy got his 15 year old GF pregnant. They were getting married and were receiving marriage counseling from their local priest.

The local proseutor found out about the situation and hit him with a charge of statutory rape. Even tough the girl was willing and the parents were ok with the situation and they were getting married.

He was threatened with up to 20 years in prison. Because of the local outcry, protests, and letters to the governor by the jury, the boy managed to avoid prison but comes under Megan's Law and will have to register as a sex ofender wherever he goes.

Good luck getting a job.

I think all 18 year old guys should know better than to have sex with girls under the consensual age. It just keeps them from getting into trouble with the law.

That being said, I feel for those boys who are 18 and have 17 year old girlfriends. There has to be a line somewhere though, I guess. Sex offender is harsh when consent is involved and the ages are so close.


Something to discuss: Turn the tables...Girls having sex with boys under the consensual age. Do you think that is looked down upon as much?

I think it really depends on the situation.

My first was 16(the age of consent in Kentucky) and I was 18.......His parents knew, mine.........I dont guess they know....well they dont need to. I dont see anythgin wrong with that because ti me that's the same as an 18 year old bf and a 16 year old gf..........however....i do know of a case where a 25 year old female did have sex with and got pregnant by a 17 year old male...........I had a problem with that......(then she wondered why he didnt claim that kid, but she's in prison now for something else which is fine because she always put herself and men before the needs of her children and those people deserve to be locked up but that's a separate thread). I wouldnt necessarily have pegged her as a sexual preadator, but i just had a problem with that and I think she knew better thatn to get into a situation like that............*shakes head*

PLUS who can forget the story a few years back of the female teacher who got pregnant not once, but TWICE by her 7th grade student.......that again is a serious problem......she was/is a sexual predator. I dont care what either of them try to justify, that's the reality of that situation.

No. I think the guy is just viewed as lucky.

Feminism as a movement has done a good job portraying all men as potential predators and all women as victims waiting to happen.

I agree with you, James. I feel it is the same crime so it should be handled similarly. I think people have a hard time swallowing the fact that women could be/are predators or offenders -- when it is unlike the situation with ThetaPrincess but like the 25 year old woman becoming pregnant by a 17 year old as she mentioned.

Treated the same yes, But also reduced to the woman's standard if there is consent.

There was a case in California I believe where a female teacher took her 15 year old student to Nevada for a few days of sex. She got caught. Lost her job of course. And was given 3 months probation or something. The boy was consenting ofcourse lol but was under the age of legal consent.

If that had been a male teacher, I would wager that he would be doing upwards of ten years in jail.

So the message isn't that we view extreme disparity of ages as bad per se, the message is that women are not really responsible for themselves. They need to be protected from temselves and the people around them.

How was she the predator? The student had a bet with his cousin that he could get the teacher in bed.