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The jail issue might be seperate. I would say if they are innocent of the crime they should be released.

As far as the middle road. Sure there would be. Habeus corpus has been suspended before and there have been some scholars that have pointed out that some security measures were self correcting after the a war was over.

The problem people are seeing now is that we have security measures inplace but no official war or state of emergency, just an intangible promise that there will be future attacks on Americans.

In other words people see these laws not ending, but instead being added to.

Again. I have no idea what we can do with it.

I don't brush off the surveillance issue, I have never liked it and again don't know what to do about it. I have a reasonable expectation of attaining some success in life and I certainly don't want to jeapordize it by appearing on some some list or in some file.

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Originally posted by Rudey
Yes, by your logic, we should also free people from jails. They actually have a movement for that. Nobody is saying throw everyone in jail - but they're saying some people should be in jail.

And I didn't see a thread on previous surveillance plus you asked for precedence so I'm not sure why you're brushing it off with a "I never liked surveillance to begin with" now.

-Rudey
--You realize there is a middle road?

So what great men have had success stolen from them through a list?

-Rudey

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Originally posted by James
The jail issue might be seperate. I would say if they are innocent of the crime they should be released.

As far as the middle road. Sure there would be. Habeus corpus has been suspended before and there have been some scholars that have pointed out that some security measures were self correcting after the a war was over.

The problem people are seeing now is that we have security measures inplace but no official war or state of emergency, just an intangible promise that there will be future attacks on Americans.

In other words people see these laws not ending, but instead being added to.

Again. I have no idea what we can do with it.

I don't brush off the surveillance issue, I have never liked it and again don't know what to do about it. I have a reasonable expectation of attaining some success in life and I certainly don't want to jeapordize it by appearing on some some list or in some file.

Re: Re: Re: I see

I'm a little brain dead today. But I would return the question . . . Do you know of anyone or any time period where blacklisting oror some such has hurt people?

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Originally posted by Rudey
So what great men have had success stolen from them through a list?

-Rudey

Re: Re: Re: Re: I see

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Originally posted by James
I'm a little brain dead today. But I would return the question . . . Do you know of anyone or any time period where blacklisting oror some such has hurt people?

Yes quite a while ago. The only blacklisting I can think of now is if you really do something to anger someone and he is influential.

-Rudey
--Oh also at places that deliver food, you can get blacklisted.

Could somebody please copy and paste the text of the news article into this thread so I can read it? It looks interesting, but I don't have New York Times or AOL membership, so I can't read it!

Tigerlilly,

John has asked that we not post copyrighted material since we don't have permission for its use.

The subscription to the NY Times Online if free. I read it daily.

Whoops. Good to know.