How about people that are going for their second bachelor's degree? They are still undergrad students technically.

If you double major that's one thing. But, at least at MTSU, you would be considered a Post-Bac. You HAVE graduated, but you are not going up to a higher level of education. You aren't still an undergrad, because you have been awarded a degree already. I think this is the same distinction made by the FAFSA forms. You could not rush as an undergraduate, because you would be considered a graduate pursuing a second degree.

You COULD declare a double major BEFORE you graduate. Then, you would be able to stay an undergrad for a longer period. But, at MTSU, you couldn't do this if you'd filed an Intent to Graduate form. This would allow someone to rush as an undergrad.


Someone correct me if I am wrong.

Interesting Note
 

At the University of Chicago from approximately 1945-1960 undergraduates were not allowed to join fraternities and the Delta Upsilon consisted onl of graduate school members.

Yes!

hmmm...no idea if TD does or not. Otterbein doesn't have a lot of graduate students, so it might just be one of those "never came up" type of things. I also don't know of alumni initiation, but I'm sure if there was a worthy woman who wished to join our sorority later in life, we'd be open to it. My sisters are open minded :-D

If it's a double major, then you're still an undergrad.

However, if you have already been awarded a bachelor's degree, you are considered post-baccalaureate as previously stated.

On my campus, they do not hold undergraduate status. Undergraduates are those who do not already have a bachelor's degree. They are called "unclassified graduate students".

My Alpha Phi Omega chapter welcomes graduate students. We have had people join as grad students and we have also had people who were members as undergrads come back and reactivate as grads.

Depends on the school,
 

if you graduated and then decided to get a second degree some schools call you undergrads, some call you something else. I looked into this when i graduated with my first degree and then wanted to get my 2nd degree (various reasons involved as to why i did not just do both at the same time). Anyway, it all depends on the school which classification someone falls in, but as far as the Federal student aid form, one who is seeking a second degree is still considered an undergraduate.

On another not,

Are there sororities who allow graduate students who were initiated as undergrads to coninue to be active members as graduate students? I thought that i had heard this before on here.

Just my thought, when i was in graduate school it was so hard to meet people and it was very lonely. I found grad school to be easier than undergrad cause all my classes were in my feild that i have studied in a long time. Anyway, i really missed my sorority and wished that there was a place that i could go to like my sorority for friendship, ect. The graduate student associate was not very sociable and i really wanted the friendships i had at my undergraduate chapter. I really don't see anything wrong with grad students being in chapters. I think that the support system one finds in their house would become more important. But that could just be my opinion.

True. This is how I joined.

Grad student may pledge, or they can be made advisors. Chapter may also limit the involvement of graduate students. By that, I assume they could bar them from holding office. (one university I was at did that to an extent. They viewed all clubs as 'undergraduate clubs' and put limits on grad student so they wouldn't 'take over' the clubs).

As others have pointed out, this means those who pledge as undergraduates could remain active as grads. And many do.

Re: Depends on the school,
 

I totally agree! I founded a Beta Sigma Phi chapter as a second year graduate student. I really needed the support and community involvement that a sisterhood provides. Now that I have graduated and moved away, I still go to my fellow founding sister with the ups and downs in my life.

Re: Interesting Note
 

The DU chapter may well have been all grad students during that period, but if so, it wasn't because undergrads couldn't pledge...my father pledged his fraternity there as a freshman in 1957. His was one of a number of nationals thriving there at the time, quite above-ground, with large houses and everything.

Phi Kappa Psi only has 3 forms of membersip:
Pledge
Undergraduate
Alumnus

We say that, if you are in school (any type of school) where there is a Chapter, and you want to join, you can.

What's funny about that is, if you joined at, say, Georgia when you were a freshman, spent your time there and graduated and went to law school at Northwestern, you have a choice as to your status - you can become an alumnus or you can transfer your membership and join the undergraduate chapter.

Along with this, if you leave school or transfer to a school where there is no active chapter, you are considered an alumnus member of the fraternity

Ok, years later, this makes me laugh after all the "controversy" lately...:D


**WD, if you decide to edit, let me know, and I'll delete my post.