While the argument will still go on, Rudey, the problem is, that if one (1) Greek Organization does it, then we are All Guilty By Association.:(

That is the end result Period!

Most people do not distinguish between Greek Names other than that they are Greeks, ergo, all Greeks are bad!:o

For easy understanding, one Screws Up, then in the eyse of yhe public, We All Are Scew ups! :o

Trust me I read all the news. When my fraternity would send out FIPG newsletters, I was the only person who read them. But I think differently than most people and try to separate problems out instead of trying to deal with them at once. I see this as trying to solve a couple problems in one shot. That is the first thing I want to say. Because no program has tackled the "culture" of college and even before college, they have failed.

The second thing I want to say is that no not all fraternities have these problems. A lot of it has to do with size. You choose to be big, and you've automatically have higher risk. A lot of it has to do with schools. I went to the University of Chicago where the greeks were pretty much the "cool kids". You do not have giant 2 thousand man parties. I really really do wish sometimes that I went to a school with awesome houses, where my chapter could be 200 guys, where there were house moms. But at the same time I know I didn't have the problems that would be at those schools. I would have the time to be drunk 7 days a week if I went elsewhere (as opposed to 3 - see we hold it down). So what about certain fraternities that are at less risk because they're not at schools on the Princeton Review's top ten party list?

The third thing is that risk isn't simply from alcohol. If I was making the decision I would really think twice about taking away resources from my fraternity that could be used towards preventing hazing or helping increase rush numbers and putting those resources to a program similar to ones that have failed.

-Rudey
--Go through all the alcohol or hazing incidents and start creating a list of names and number of occurences for each type. I would love to see that list, but I guarantee you it will be dominated by the top 5 largest fraternities.

I agree with Tom. When greeks here at edinboro do something that screws up we are all seens as the bad greeks doing something wrong.

No matter what you do; letters or no letters you are known by them and that condemns your group.