I don't think that AST has one.

They typically serve simply as exemplars or personifications of the virtues or qualities that a particular GLO values.

DG's do not have a patron goddess.

Wooglin?!?

Yet another reason I love Beta! They have all the fun words ~ I mean who doesn't enjoy saying Beta Theta Pi?


I also enjoy saying Zeta Beta Tau. :p

St Catherine of Siena
 

It was mentioned earlier, and yes indeed, St Catherine of Siena is our patroness. Our motto is:
"Nothing great is ever achieved without much enduring."
St. Catherine of Siena

The preacer?

nice spelling job.:rolleyes:

and if what you're trying to do is persuade people into changing their beliefs by condeming and judging them in a very unappealing manner while making no progress what so ever and offending Greeks who are active Christians, yes you are doing a very good job.

I'm not saying that it's ok to haze, I'm not saying that Christianity is not a part of greek life, I just don't think that fire and brimstone speeches are going to positivley effect commited GLO members. You're entitled to your opinion, but don't expect it to go over well on a pro Greek message board.

Look, Fred Hatchett's song and dance should come as no surprise. We've all met people like him before. They're the kind of people who turn to religion and use it as a massive crutch, or as a way to try and wipe away parts of their past that they're not particularly proud of. They're easy targets because they're not typically bright enough people to question and try to understand the things they see and hear and read, so they lock onto one narrow interpretation of scripture and make their whole life revolve around it. They never consider for even a moment that an intelligent person could interpret things differently. They never consider that even among different English translations of the bible there are significant differences in the meaning of individual passages, not to mention differences among translations from ancient languages to classical languages to modern languages, all these translations being made not by god but by men. Ever play the telephone game?

The world's leading religious scholars - people who have dedicated an entire lifetime to the study of every available religious text - even they don't agree on various interpretations of scripture. Yet little old Fred sitting in his bubble in North Carolina is positive he's got it right and we've all got it wrong. What does that tell you?

I've bantered with Fred for a long time. And I don't really have anything against him. I just think he lacks a critical mind, so when someone way back when fed him this BS false gods agenda, he swallowed it hook, line and sinker without a second thought. Fred denounces GLOs as cultlike, but ironically his mindless repetitive message board dogma-babble is so reminiscent of a religious cult mentality, it's positively scary. I hope someone close to him can eventually deprogram him so he can open his eyes to a wider world.

I've advised Fred that truly intelligent and wise people share something in common: They allow for the possibility of other interpretations - other interpretations of global events, other interpretations of American politics, other interpretations of the physical world, other interpretations of scripture. By contrast, narrow and myopic people tend to stamp their feet and insist there is only one possible correct interpretation.

So it's pretty clear on which side of the fence Fred falls. Like I said, we've all met people like him before. You can't change their minds because their minds are closed to other possibilities. You can't reason with them because intelligent argument also requires an open mind. So you either beat your head against a wall or you ignore them.

I figure if Fred's right and I'm going to hell, well then I've got better things to do before I go than listen to him drone on about it. First I've got to polish my statue of Minerva and then I have to make my daily blood sacrifice to Demeter.

wptw

Well said, wptw.

I think zntke711 put it very well when he called it a "Greek ideal."

Re: There are moral absolutes!
 

Fred, we're educated people here. If you don't know the difference between "know" and no. I'd dismiss them as simple typos but you seem to have a LOT of typos.

Go to school get an education. It'll show you that your myopic way of seeing the world is just that -- myopic. There are MANY valid points of view for every subject.

I know no one can ever change your mind. That's fine.

How about a couple of verses of scripture for you?

"Let he who is without sin cast the first stone."

"Judge not lest ye be judged."

Re: SN Creed
 

The Creed of Sigma Nu

To believe in the life of love; to win in the fresh morning of our youth the loyal love of faithful friends, who will go with us unmoved into the darkening shadows of life's closing day; and so to seek and to find, to have and to hold the friendships that will abide. To think of God as the common father of all men, and all men as a common brotherhood, thus recognizing the continuity of the Divine and the solidarity of the human life. To build somewhere in the wide world the sheltering walls of a home, however humble and obscure, where Love shall glorify the wife, Duty enshrine the mother, and Affection ennoble the child. To keep green the sainted memory of our loved and lost, their faults forgotten, their virtues enshrined in our hearts forever. To try bravely to do unto our fellow men as we should do unto us, reckoning not their lineage nor their wealth, but esteeming their manhood above their badge of rank. To let our lives be led by the spirits of Gentleness, Justice, and Mercy. And so to be true to the Knighthood of Love.

To walk in the way of honor; to exalt the fundamental virtues of the race; and, prizing every noble impulse, to realize so deeply the baseness of deceit, that no obligation will be more binding than our plighted word. To be steadfast in the performance of every trust, and, spurning the gaudy gifts of greed and power, to be content to live by our knightly vow that our honor is dearer to us than our lives; and so to esteem the man's character first, his culture second, and his pedigree not at all, unless he be worthy of it. Emulating the chivalrous deeds of courtesy, and sealing not our hearts against the torch of tenderness, to win the love and care of some incorruptible woman. And so to be loyal to the Knighthood of Honor.

To serve in the light of truth; to open wide, Life's windows to the revelations of heaven and earth. Avoiding the Phariseeism that belittles the soul and scorning the bigotry that blights the mind, to respect every altar of faith built in God's name, by every sincere worshiper to whom, if we cannot give our sympathy, we shall not deny the kindness of our manly silence; and, whatever our creed, to reverence the Christ as the Divine Compassion for struggling humanity - a compassion that, giving the world its gospel of human service, saves men to the end that they may serve their fellow men.

To seek in nature, the meaning of the Infinite Truth; to understand that the laws of growth are the laws of God to believe that the melody of birds, the laughter of children the unmeasured sacrifice of motherhood, and the ceaseless yearning of all men for a wider outlook and a nobler existence are prophetic of the perfect joy and love of another world and so believing, to find rest, as in the shadow of a great rock, against all the storms that beset us; catching from the silence of the starlit nights, the peace of the autumn days, the solemnity of the boundless seas, that spirit of Hope and Faith which soothes hurt of grief, heals the wound of wrong, and calms the fever of doubt.

To welcome the achievements of art and science, religion and learning,labor and law, under whose radiant banners battle the hosts of progress; honoring every honest student as the benefactor of his race, and every consecrated school as a bulwark of the Republic; and so to be loyal to the American university, as the home of American liberty, democracy, religion, and culture.

To guard with jealous care not only ancient rights of human freedom, in whose name we shall destroy all wrong and oppression, but also the newer rights of social service, the ultimate purpose of whose ministrations shall be to give to every life, the opportunity to enjoy the earth in the fullness of its beauty and grace, its comfort and good cheer; holding fast to the conviction that whatever sweetens our natures, uplifts our ideals, strengthens our character and disenthralls our spirits will us in the end into the full stature of a noble manhood; and, so inspires, to cling to the visions of our youth, and, despite the sordid struggles of the selfish world, to practice every day, as lads in college, and men in the world, the Faith of our Fraternity, thinking of it not only as the inspiring Ideal of a militant Brotherhood, but also as as creative force for the spiritual development of men, whose lives it shall dedicate to Love, glorify with Honor, and conquer for Truth. And so to be faithful to the Knighthood of Truth.

I guess ol' Fred is :eek: because he knows he could never measure up to the requirements of the Sigma Nu Creed -- especially the part about "avoiding the Phariseeism that belittles the soul and scorning the bigotry that blights the mind."

ROFLMAO about this one -- too funny!! ;)

I SWEAR no disrespect is meant here, but I just had to laugh at "Wooglin" -- it reminded me of that character "Woogie" on "There's Something About Mary" --- I just started laughing.

That is beautiful. I can't see how their creed goes against Christian beliefs; in fact, I think it supports what Christianity is. The men of Sigma Nu ought to be proud to have such lofty ideals.

Thank you DZRose. I appreciate you posting that:D

My organization was founded when three men gathered one night at a limestone outcropping one night on the VMI parade grounds. They swore ON A BIBLE to uphold love honor and truth.

Please tell me how that is pagan? (be specific)

Re: There are moral absolutes!
 

Swear to god?




ktsnake, you and all your brothers should be ashamed to post that disgraceful creed. Fred is quite right. I demand you immediately edit it to change every other word to "Jesus".

To Jesus in the Jesus of Jesus; to Jesus in the Jesus Jesus of our Jesus the Jesus Jesus of Jesus Jesus, who will Jesus with Jesus Jesus into the Jesus Jesus of Jesus Jesus Jesus...

Isn't that much better? Fred, what do you think?

wptw