On one side you have members of fraternities using their letters to get a$$ and on the flipside you have chicks willing to do anything just say she got down with a member of xyz fraternities. Pretty pathetic on both parts especially if a dude has to use his letters and it doesn't end at college.

Judging solely on your post, it would seem as if you believe that all of those who live in dorms and off campus are saints.:confused::eek::p:D;)
I learned, way after the fact, that at least two of the sororities on campus matched or even surpassed us in some activities.
As did at least one sports team.
And I have very little doubt of the activities in the dorms.

However, as we all know, any GLO's name and letters ring better in the news than Smith Hall.

Did I say that? No. Who the hell said anything about dorms or off campus housing?:confused: No one is a saint, not even me:D, but when you make yourself the frat groupie or when dudes have to use their letters to get a$$, yeah like I said its pathetic. The thread is about fraternity members sharing a woman (didn't pick the subject).

You know gentlemen, the same thing can be said from a woman's perspective, except as "collegiate society" would have it, the comments are perceived harsher coming from fraternity men...

What I mean is, should not the decision to "get with" a man be solely the woman's even if it is just physical? And that attraction is purely one of "experimentation"? Most young ladies haven't a clue on how to have a relationship nor be in one until their 30's, much less their 40's.

Moreover, the point is "lasciviousness" or "polyamorous". An astute woman would know how to play on that on pubescent young men. But a woman mindful of her sexual wiles and be discrete in regards as to how to best express them. If she choses to beguile her seduction, he or she will know it and would choose not to share...

Most young ladies really probably enjoy male friendship that happens to go too far and gets out of control. Some young ladies allow themselves to become doormats to these gentlemen. Yet, some young women delude themselves into believing that they are actually in love with the fraternity lifestyle. Lastly, some young women just do not know any better.

How does a man uplift a hurt sistah without context? Consistency in response. Support for primary goals in college--to graduate and obtain a career. So many of our young women are broken. You see them on Oprah, Springer and Maury. You see the very complaints made here on GC somewhere. Rarely do you see supportive statements made for one another.

Have we bought this "battle of sexes" lock, stock and barrel?

I refuse to think those things anymore... As a womanist, I cannot. Men have hurt and are hurting, just as much as women. Which makes this problem a lack of the Spirit...

Love one another... Put a little love in your heart... God is Love... There is Love in the rain--God resides there...

Gentlemen, I watch ESPN Sportcenter because my husband loves it... The news gets deferred when it is on. Yes, I know who Chris, Lee and Kirk are...

I do agree with your thoughts.
I never thought of or saw anyone "using" letters to get some "action"
Thus to me, this sort activity can and does happen in any kind of social or living environment or group.

Interesting take on this.:) I do realize a woman is capable of flipping the scrip. Suprisingly I never thought of the fact that some may not know how to be in a relationship. Don't get wrong I am not dismissing or trying to say it is wrong to have casual sex, but when you spread yourself around a group of men or women at a given period.... in this day and age is a dangerous thing.

True, true.

It is about role modeling. Just like a young boy cannot really become a MAN unless he has a man teach him how to be one, same goes for a young girl who cannot become a WOMAN who loves and trusts a man in a relationship if she does not see her parents (or step parents) who are lovers...

How would a woman know truly that "experimenting" with every Thomas, Richard and Harrold does not help her own personal psyche. Besides, men travel and swing in groups all the time, go from one sorority sister to another, sometimes in differing sororities or not... And some men play these same women against each other--as an experiment... Some of these same women say turnabout is fair play... I didn't say I agree with that logic, but that is what folks say.

And danger does not fit into the game when folks are playing it...

I think many young women just get caught up from one guy to the next--a merry go-round--and they figure it out when it is too late, after they are pregnant, or have a STD, or raped. Some are sold on the fairytale fantasy read to them by their mothers. Do you think Snow White and Cinderella were ever upgraded?

Hayle, I just had to burst the bubble of a 4 year old this past holiday season, telling her these Walt Disney fantasy fairytales are not real... I think I made her cry... Moreover, I hurt when I asked her what she wanted to be when she grew up, and she said "a princess-mommy". WTF a "princess-mommy"?

The advertisers sell these "princess outfits", with the shoes, etc. They even have the "Cheetah Girls" with plastic rings accessories!!! :eek:

So when you fellas are so ready to discount a young woman who has lost her integrity, remember, she probably did start off like my little 4 year old friend with full indoctrination... Better than any illegal pledging and hazing period any of the D4 could muster up...

I work with 6th, 7th, and 8th children and one day some of the teachers decided to split of the boys and girls to talk about sexual health after seeing a movie on HIV which I feel to this day the movie, not the topic, wasn't age appropiate. I am a firm believer that sex education in the schools needs to be revamped now and after carefully answering any questions the boys had after the film in regards to their body and sexual behavior one thing became clear, that children believe having multiple sexual partners at one given time is the norm. I wasn't suprised due to all the things their minds become polluted with from media influence to interactions with family and friends. Not to mention that one of there 7th grade classmates was pregnant at the time.

I am now working with the school to bring the parents and the department of public health into this so they can recieve some type of health education since the science teacher has yet to introduce subject of puberty to 8th graders (something should have gotten in 5th grade). You are right it starts in the home and with parents.

That's a cop out, and a poor excuse that a lot of women use. This is what they say: "I was out there back in the day when I was young. I felt I was too young to get in a serious relationship." blah blah blah.:rolleyes:

Hell, when I was in undergrad, I was young too and always wanted to be with only ONE woman. I'm still that way, and I'll always be that way. I can't stand it when a woman says that same ol' lame a$$ bullisht about her being too young for a serious relationship. By the time she's in her 30s and 40s, more than likely she's been used up and screwed by a bunch of trifling a$$ bad boys. Who wants a woman like that? I sure as hell don't. When they're young they don't want the nice guy. They want that bad boy thuggish idiot who doesn't give a rat's a$$ about her. Then when she realizes her biological clock is ticking away, and that those bone head thugs aren't about anything, now she wants a decent man. Please. I refuse to go behind a thug.

I joined a social fraternity to enhance my social skills because I've always been a shy person. I'm still quite shy, but I have improved. I had several opportunities to sleep with fraternity groupies, but I turned them all down because I wanted a traditional good woman. I don't have any remorse for hoes whatsoever. They're not ladies in my book. Just because she's older and more mature now, still doesn't make a difference to me. She may have hoed around in her younger days and now may have changed, but I still wouldn't get involved with her. To me, SHE'S BEEN USED UP.

I noticed the OP meets jokers at night clubs. If I had a street sweeper, the night clubs would be the 1st place I would go to start sweeping up the trash.

Hoes and the glorification of hoes baffles me. Its funny how rappers brag about getting all the hoes. Hoes really don't go after the best men they will get with anyone with a little cash or pay them attention making them easy to obtain and maintain. I think its harder to get attract a classy lady because they are selective and to think one man can satisfy more than one at a time nearly impossible. Because a true one knows her worth and can not share and will not share her man.

just my 22cents.

p.s. I don't know if its just me, but a how is fashion trend. If too many people are wearing it out why would I want to jump in on the trend too? I don't like to have the same thing that everyone down the street has.

I agree. Women these days do tend to use that as a lame cop out. They want all the freedom in the world to be as irresponsible, reckless & being "out there" so to speak, without any of the responsibility that comes along with engaging in such behavior. When we hold them to the same standard of accountability for engaging in this kind of behavior, then all of a sudden, the rules change & they try & hide behind those excuses you highlighted in your comments. It really is a cheap ploy used by alot of females to try & duck personal responsibility/acountability & not be held to the same standards of decency that they'll crucify a man for not living up to.

We all get someones leftovers. We just rather not know how many people ate from that plate.

Pardon the crash, but if I were still single, I'd get this stitched on a pillow.