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Re: Re: you are right

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Originally posted by UMgirl

Whoa! what U of Michigan Greek was found dead in a fraternity house????? This had to of happened years (more than 5 actually more then that) ago, because when I was on campus there was NEVER a greek found dead in a fraternity house.

It was this year. I will Pm you the details.

The true crux of the problem is not Local or International, but having Greek Letters!

I know as a local, we followed or led many things on campus in the 60's! No Hazing, No Alchol on the premises!

Locals do and will fowllow what ther National Greeks do in most cases, maybe not all!

Locals are a smaller % of Greeks and Internationals are the Largest % of Greeks.
The smaller the % and the time something happens the % is is higher. In the same token, the larger a group and looking at the % then that % is smaller!

I think that as Greeks, we try to hold our Ideals to a higher Standard than non Greeks, one and all, Local or National!

We are trying to prove ourselves better, more involved, better grades and what ever!

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Originally posted by dzrose93
[Once again, at the risk of sounding like a broken record: the issue is NOT local vs. national. It's stupidity vs. responsibility. There are plenty of immature people acting the fool in Greekdom, local and national alike. So instead of acting like one group is better than another, why don't we work together and see about making things better?

I agree with you here - I was just trying to clarify where shultzz seemed to be coming from, b/c I feel it to be an important and relavent point for those of us in (inter-)national houses.

In the end, we must deal with our problems on an individual basis, and blame does nothing to help.

Shultzz

Thanx for the info. Check your PM cuz there was definately a big mix up in the heading that leads you to think that in the story ;) Even the article says different.

Every time you self-righteously bash locals, God kills a kitten.

Please, think of the kittens.

I'm in a local and I have a kitten. If you bash my local, does that mean God kills my kitten? :eek:

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Originally posted by decadence
I agree with the fact that stupidity can attempt to rear its ugly head in any organisation. I think an important point though, is that many see local orgs as less monitored than national ones?
A national org on a campus is monitored by its own e-board of course, by the university through advisors, local alumni, and (inter)nationals. If it 'acts up' then it can have its charter pulled. That is generally a fatal blow to the group. In non-locals there is always lot of emphasis on important issues such as hazing (which is not to say locals don't emphasis anti-hazing, just that is not a "given"). IHQ can pull their charter and continually stress the importance of risk management because they don't want tragedies to occur.

With a local, a governing body isn't in the picture in the same way. The onus is on the individual local org to act responsibly. Many of them do, but in some cases some do not. Effectively, people often view locals as somehow a greater risk as they (locals) are seen as monitoring themselves?

Are there any more ancient threads that you want to bump today?

No, Russell isn't a troublemaker, he just tells it like it is. Some people can handle it, some can't.

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Originally posted by decadence
While I normally try to ignore such posts, it is difficult when there are many. This post and a few others suggest you are a troublemaker, Russell? A trend in your posting pattern seems to be many of your posts don't have anything pleasant to say. I am willing to admit if I am wrong if need be...

Let's see if you really are willing to admit when you are wrong. You were all to quick to use the search engine to revive a several threads in a very short period of time, but you did not use the search engine to review my posts. Aside from the gdigirlfriend posts, you will have a rather difficult time backing up your allegations that I have such a pattern. In fact, you come off as rather flippant in those posts where you attempt to be serious. If you do (and I doubt you will) review my posts, you will see that I have some of the most insightful, as well as some of the most frivilous posts on this site. I have no pattern. But then again, maybe I'm not the one who is a troublemaker.