Just to add to serenity, some schools, if a GLO isn't recognized as a part of whatever pan-hel council on campus, they are usually alowed to apply to be a special interest organization through the SGA. You still have to have members as a part of the SGA, which serves as the "larger governing body". But again, they don't have the regulations because they had the balls to go against the grain and start their own thing. Don't hate, congratulate! ;) :D

Wow! I must have been gone for awhile becuase I have a lot to catch up on....well I just want to say one thing about what has been said on this thread in particular to a certain Stan....

greek Chat is not about bashing other organizations and whether you thinik so or not that is exactly what you did, and yes I forgive you :)
however....greek chat is about learning about other GLOs and seeing how hey are different from yours and also the same.
Also to touch on a poitn ou made about Ethnic and Multicultural GLos not having to answer to anyone...let me joust speak about what I know...and thats my own sorority Theta Nu Xi Multicultural Sorority Inc.
We are governed by our national board which means that we do have rules and regulations by which we must abide. if we did not then obviously everything would be quite hectic.
At this current time my chapter is not underneath a governing body within the school but we are still recognized as a sorority and thus get treated as such.

Thanks you DeltaSigStan,,, you haev indeed made my day a bit more interesting....

that's pretty ignorant calling multicultural organizations fake GLO's.

from the way it sounds, you seem pretty resentful at the asian fraternity.

so to be a real organizations, you have to do social events? hmm...why don't you go and talk to the brothers of sigma pi phi? i'm pretty sure they don't throw parties like you guys, becuase they're about REAL business and not just getting drunk.

Well, if they can get away with what others can't then, I would have a problem with that.

I just think all greeks should be regulated the same way.

But since a few USFC chapters here are now on social probation, I guess they are now.

Re: pan-hel vs. non
 

As a sister in both a Pan-Hel and non organization (TBSigma-music ) I can say without a doubt that pan-hel has definite advantages. it totally lets you have more opportunities to be active and get your name out on campus. It also makes attracting individuals through rushing easier than trying to do your own rush and competing against theirs. (You get more people to choose from) Also, there is something about having a say in what is usually one of the largest collective organizations on campus... definitely nice to have an impact. Overall, I'd say it helps with the survival of and thriving of your organization.

In my school, TBS is struggling to stay alive, no matter what we do because there is little to no funding. We have to do all our recruiting by ourselves (when I joined there were 4 members, they're up to like 15 now), and because of all the extra work with no say of anything on campus, members often get frustrated, burnt out, and do not stay in longer than a few semester (we've had close to a 40-50% drop rate, in spite of our best efforts and group building activities, etc.). This is not limited just to my group. Other organizations, including but not limited to APhiO, PhiMuAlpha, SAI, Friars/Abbes, KKPsi, etc. are smaller than our IGC greek organizations, have MUCH smaller budgets, and less of an impact on the campus.

Perhaps this is just a phenomenon distinct to my campus, but I'd venture to say it isn't. (At conventions I see many other chapters of KKPsi/TBS are rather small too)

AXiD and most of our other GLO's in IGC are larger. And we've started 3 new groups since 3 years ago, PhiMu, BetaThetaPi, and SAE... all of them are growing like wildfire.

This is my first day in this chat forum, and I'm floored at this topic! I didn't realize there was so much resentment on both sides. I guess that makes me a naive alumna!

At my school, we had up-and-coming multi-cultural organizations that were oftentimes the most active in our events. We did mixers and other greek week events with them as well. As someone mentioned before, NPC sororities are considered to be traditionally white, this is probably because when they were started only whites were allowed in universities. I'm happy to say, that at least my organization has ignored this 'tradition'. We pledged Hispanic, Asian, and Arab, and I am proud of the diverse faces among my sisters! The only way to get rid of stereotypes is to quit perpetuating them.

Yes, the NPC is a major support for sororities, but obligation is no reason to join. I'm sorry if anyone has felt that they wouldn't be welcomed in an organization because of the color of their skin. I wish you all much luck in your endeavors

Adrienne

DeltA GammA


Forever my sister, forever my friend

Interesting Stuff
 

I was just avoiding homework and saw this thread. All of the posts are really interesting. I thought I would add my opinion to the mix. At my university, I can see how MCGLO and BGLO's would be considered "fake." In order to operate under the office of fraternity and sorority life at the university, you must be under an on campus governing council. The options here are PHC, IFC, NPHC, and UCFS. PHC contains only sororities that are a part of the NPC. Several MCGLO formed together to make the United Council of Fraternities and Sororities (UCFS), so that they would have a governing council and thus be recognized by the Office of Fraternity and Sorority Life. I see both sides, and have rushed an MCGLO and a NPC group. I value the experience that both offered, because I truly found where I belonged in Chi Omega.

Re: Interesting Stuff
 

I still don't see how BGLO's are "fake". The National Pan-Hellenic Council has been in existence since 1930. Campuses that have at least two chapters of NPHC orgs are required to form an NPHC council on their campus. This requirement is stated in the NPHC council by-laws. NPHC has many rules that govern how organizations may behave, not to mention, each individual organization has their own code of conduct.

I apologize. I guess I wasn't clear. ANY organization not in NPHC, PHC, or UCFS would not be recognized by the Office of Fraternity and Sorority Life. It would have to register as an ordinary Student Organization (like the Kickboxing Club). Many of the BGLO if not all on our campus are under the NPHC, so they are recognized. And my previous post isn't meant to exclude BGLO or MCGLO, the same goes for service, music or any other greek letter group. They can call themselves a fraternity or sorority, but they need to be affiliated with an on campus governing council in order for our University to recognize them as a GLO and include them in GLO statistics. That is just how our university works. I was just trying to explain one way in which a university works and that I do understand both sides of the arguement.

Personally, I don't want to be in a mainstream Pan-Hel sorority. If I did, I'd have rushed again. I didn't feel I fit in with any of them--not because of the color of my skin, but because I wanted to be in a different kind of organization. However, my school is planning on combining all orgs together into a United Council after MSU officially becomes a chapter.

I kinda like that because it will make NPC/IFC Greeks more aware of other Greeks, but BGLO's are different from MCGLO's which are most definitely different from Pan-Hel/IFC. We wouldn't know how to relate to one other as orgs at all. I'd love for all Greeks to be on good terms, but this isn't the best way to go about it.

I think the best thing to do for Greeks to really come together is just to meet to become familiar with the different orgs. Lumping all of us together into the same umbrella org when we have different interests is not going to bring any unity...only more struggle because we wouldn't really have much of a common bond.

Re: Re: Cultural Relativism vs Universalism
 

Hmm, I seem to remember at my school this past year a fraternity under the IFC (Sigma Tau Gamma), got their University recogniation revoked and their National Charter revoked. Hmm, what was the reason, "Oh, yeah", they beat a pledge during ritual so badly his KIDNEYS SHUT DOWN and he had to have LARGE SKIN GRAFTS on his ass. This was all done under the watchful eye of the IFC, his Advisor and the Dean of Students(did I mention his Advisor was the Dean of Students). He really seemed to gain something from the IFC peering over this Sigma Tau Gamma chapter's shoulders. Hell, not even having the Dean of Students as their Advisor did any good.

Okay...thats not entirely true dude. Yeah at my school if you're NPC or IFC you can get away with pretty much anything. My sorority is being watched like a hawk for one false move so we can be thrown off campus and we actually almost were. So no, thats not the case everywhere. Its actually the opposite here at my school. If you're not IFC or NPC the school doesn't care.

A frat and sorority had a wet party on our dry campus. This was brought to the attention of the necessary powers and ABSOLUTELY NOTHING was done. They were talked to and that was it. Now, if it were my sorority, I'd be expelled and my sorority would only be a memory as that is the consiquence (sp) of having alcohol at an on campus event, especially if there are under ageds drinking.