Discusion yes, which is alot diffrent than actually having to see it with my own eyes. Discusion such as "Hey GC, what do you think about people selling ritual books on Ebay" Not so much "Holy shit, I found the xyz ritual on ebay, go check it out" Not bashing you man, just trying to make a point. Really, those books are none of anyones buisness that does not belong to this org. Let me also backup what K sig is saying. We have many vistors from this board that come to us courtesy of a board called fraternitysecrets.com. Im sure at least a few of them have seen US yapping about this and are potential buyers. Actually i bet some of em crapped all over themselves at the opprotunity to get those 2 books. I really hope that doesnt happen now and I also hope that a Phi Delt and a TEKE save those books.

Its these little situations like this that we as greeks have to work together on. The events of 2 years ago had some heavy reprocusions on our greek system as a whole and with increased internet traffic, trading secrets and what not is easier now than ever before. When the ties that bind us are lost and exposed, what do we have left?

Each other.

I agree with the respect issue. If I were to happen across a document labeled "The Ritual of XYZ" I wouldn't read it (unless XYZ = AEPhi). By the same token, I'd hope no non-AEPhi's would read the ritual that means so much to me and my sisters.

This is why I appreciate the way the Masons pass on their ritual. My husband is a Mason, and he tells me that most of the secrets are passed on by word of mouth, and written down in code if at all. No chance of stealing and selling the secrets there :)

I am a Mason and no disrespect intended, 99% of your statement is correct, but it saddens me deeply to say this, but Masonry was exposed years and years ago. Same situation as today but a diffrent time period. I wont explain this statement so please dont ask me too.

Please tell your husband that a young brother out here in Ky says hello.

I think this makes all of us feel sick. Ritual books are sacred, and to click on the links (only because I live with a TKE and he wanted to see if it was a ritual book, or what it actually was), I was inclined to click on the Phi Delt one (some from Phi Delt, please take care of this....it shows a picture of a page inside which clearly has something that sure we're all curious about, but made my stomach drop to the floor to see it).

I disagree with someone that said if you were at a garage sale you'd pick up a cheap copy of some ritual book and take a peek. I'm a Tri Sigma and I worked at Tri Delta national headquarters for a while. I never had the inkling to look at anything, and it was all over the place. The first day I found a ritual book in my desk, and immediately picked it up and gave it to a Tri Delta...it even felt weird just to touch it. I took a tour of their storage room and their national ritual equipment was in it, I just turned a head and asked not to be near any of it. It's just respectful.

I live with a TKE and we both have our own ritual books (because we are each national officers) and have never had the inkling to even look at each others books, that's respectful to each other and our organizations.

Interfraternally,

All the links are gone, so all those ritual hackers, who don't have brains to find their stuff elsewhere, cannot find it here. So, everyone, slap a few of these on your face:) :) :) :) :)

Secondly, Ebay gets millions of hits per day, about 1,000 times more than this site, so I would imagine, those ritual books are being looked at without the word of mouth of Greekchat.com

And, take a look at fraternitysecrets.com, and you will notice that everything on there is BS....for the most part. I get a kick out of that place, people getting all worked up over a bunch of fake secrets. Just imagine how many minutes you lose off your life span when you get all worked up over this stuff.

I, by no means, enjoy seeing Phi Delt, TKE and ATO ritual books on ebay more than you. As a matter of fact, I think it sucks. But, I realize that there is nothing I can do about it, other than e-mail their respective HQ and give them a 'Heads Up', and hope that some wealthy alumni will pick it up 'for the good of the fraternity'......just like I did when MY ritual book was on there last year.

Don't fret people, life goes on.

Heres a few more :) :) :) :)

PS, the Masons had a falling out when their stuff was published (somewhat) back in the early 1800's......and yes, that sucked too.

I knew some of the secrets had been exposed, but not all... but I'm not surprised... there's been enough anti-Masonic/anti-secret-society sentiment at various times in our history for it to have happened. In any case, I certainly wouldn't go sniffing around for it :) And the idea of writing things down in code and passing things on primarily by word of mouth is certainly a good one... that way, you can't get at the secrets simply by picking up a book.

I thought there were lots of groups of masons, not just one. :confused:

I didn't read the whole topic, so I don't know if this was mentioned or not. A while ago, there was some guy buying a bunch of KD pins on ebay, for his daughter's collection, I think. No matter what any of us KD's bid, he'd always be able to bid higher. ::Sigh:: one of them was a Gamma Omicron, too, number 612. I know who the pin belonged to. She's in my chapter now. Oh, well. Some people are evil.

It's good to be back, by the way. ^^

Hi,

Well my bros and i are pooling our money to get that phi delt book. I hope we win the auction and keep our ritual to us. To the tke's and ato's out there i hope someone from your organizations get those back.

I emailed my friend who works for Phi Delt GHQ and he said: "yes we've been made aware of the ritual book on ebay, ghq has contacted the fbi and police, stuff like this is no joking matter."

Dunno what the FBI and police can do... :(

Yeah, I knida question what the police and FBI can do too? I don't think they can do anything, unless the book was stolen....if not, I would think they would be SOL.

I'm sure the book was stolen at one point in time but that's so tough to prove. Another point is that on ebay, this particular book has a sample page for everyone to see!