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DrPhil 08-01-2012 11:53 PM

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Originally Posted by AGDee (Post 2163437)
I don't either. Blacks and Hispanics are allowed to get married in every state. Unless they are also gay.

White homosexual men and white lesbians have always been able to use white privilege which includes socioeconomic status, education, hiring, wages, and salary. In certain environments, one's sexual orientation and sexuality can be "hidden" whereas race, ethnicity, and gender are darn near impossible to hide.

Do you see how dumb it is to attempt to rank oppressions? Inequalities do not have to be the exact same in order for them to coexist and for all of them to be legitimate.

sigmadiva 08-01-2012 11:55 PM

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Originally Posted by agzg (Post 2163429)

What.

Yup.

I assume you are a White female. Being White and female in this country affords you a certain 'carte blanc' that I don't have, and will never have since I am a Black female. The strong and deeply rooted divisions in this country are divided along color lines, and a close second gender lines, not sexual orientation.

Just from a daily experience, if I go into a store, any store, I am watched and followed, and at the same time ignored when I do ask for assistance.

Dollar for dollar, Black females are almost the lowest paid on the job, and the most often passed over for promotions.

We tend to be the least respected too. For example, if a White girl is known to have many sexual partners, then she is seen as a 'free-spirit', open and caring. If a Black girl has the same lifestyle, then she is seen as a 'hoochie-mama', just out to have babies so she can get on Welfare.

So, for me, when it comes to being a minority, I see it along color lines, and not sexual orientation. Because, even if you are White and gay in this country, there are avenues and opportunities open to you just for being White that I don't have because I'm Black. Or, what Andre Turner said in that other thread.

agzg 08-01-2012 11:56 PM

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Originally Posted by sigmadiva (Post 2163447)
Yup.

I assume you are a White female. Being White and female in this country affords you a certain 'carte blanc' that I don't have, and will never have since I am a Black female. The strong and deeply rooted divisions in this country are divided along color lines, and a close second gender lines, not sexual orientation.

Just from a daily experience, if I go into a store, any store, I am watched and followed, and at the same time ignored when I do ask for assistance.

Dollar for dollar, Black females are almost the lowest paid on the job, and the most often passed over for promotions.

We tend to be the least respected too. For example, if a White girl is known to have many sexual partners, then she is seen as a 'free-spirit', open and caring. If a Black girl has the same lifestyle, then she is seen as a 'hoochie-mama', just out to have babies so she can get on Welfare.

So, for me, when it comes to being a minority, I see it along color lines, and not sexual orientation. Because, even if you are White and gay in this country, there are avenues and opportunities open to you just for being White that I don't have because I'm Black. Or, what Andre Turner said in that other thread.

This is lunacy and Oppression Olympics. Sorry friend, only one set of Olympics I'm interested in being party to.

ASTalumna06 08-01-2012 11:57 PM

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Originally Posted by sigmadiva (Post 2163447)
We tend to be the least respected too. For example, if a White girl is known to have many sexual partners, then she is seen as a 'free-spirit', open and caring. If a Black girl has the same lifestyle, then she is seen as a 'hoochie-mama', just out to have babies so she can get on Welfare.

No, a white girl who sleeps around is called a slut.. She's just out to have babies to get on 'Teen Mom.'

On the other hand, ANY guy that sleeps around is called a hero.

:rolleyes:

sigmadiva 08-01-2012 11:58 PM

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Originally Posted by agzg (Post 2163448)
This is lunacy and Oppression Olympics. Sorry friend, only one set of Olympics I'm interested in being party to.

Sure, but it still does not change the dynamics I mentioned. ;)

DrPhil 08-01-2012 11:58 PM

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Originally Posted by sigmadiva (Post 2163447)
Yup.

Look at you again.

What you typed does not matter for the current discussion.

agzg 08-01-2012 11:59 PM

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Originally Posted by sigmadiva (Post 2163450)
Sure, but it still does not change the dynamics I mentioned. ;)

But see, the dynamics you mentioned are also irrelevant to the conversation. Unless the COO of Chick-fil-A is also against Black and Hispanic marriage.

sigmadiva 08-02-2012 12:01 AM

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Originally Posted by agzg (Post 2163453)
But see, the dynamics you mentioned are also irrelevant to the conversation. Unless the COO of Chick-fil-A is also against Black and Hispanic marriage.

Maybe for the thread, but not for you since you questioned it. I was responding to your 'What' that you directed at what I said.

sigmadiva 08-02-2012 12:02 AM

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Originally Posted by DrPhil (Post 2163452)
Look at you again.

What you typed does not matter for the current discussion.

What I typed was directed at agzg since she questioned it. No, it does not matter for the current discussion.

DrPhil 08-02-2012 12:03 AM

Sigmadiva is just being random. I typed "power minorities" and sigmadiva felt the need to do a social-ethnic-cultural diatribe (ironic, I know). She must have thought that "power minorities" only references racial and ethnic minorities.

DrPhil 08-02-2012 12:04 AM

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Originally Posted by sigmadiva (Post 2163456)
What I typed was directed at agzg since she questioned it. No, it does not matter for the current discussion.

She probably knew what you meant (it is a pretty common yet simplistic argument) and just disagreed.

agzg 08-02-2012 12:10 AM

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Originally Posted by sigmadiva (Post 2163454)
Maybe for the thread, but not for you since you questioned it. I was responding to your 'What' that you directed at what I said.

It's fairly clear you're going for the gold in mental gymnastics. But please, tell me more about me. Because this Chick-fil-A issue is clearly about you, and me, and my privilege versus your privilege. In fact, I believe the COO actually said that "agzg rules because WHITE LADY! sigmadiva drools because BLACK LADY!"

sigmadiva 08-02-2012 12:11 AM

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Originally Posted by DrPhil (Post 2163457)
Sigmadiva is just being random. I typed "power minority" and "power majority" and sigmadiva felt the need to do a diatribe (ironic, I know). She must have thought that "minority" only references racial and ethnic minorities.

And as I stated, for me it does.

It just deeply offends me when White gays act like they are the same "type" of minority that they can equate with being Black or Hispanic.

What I see is White gays do a very good job of trying to convince people that just because gays can't get married, then they are a minority that is akin to Blacks with respect to slavery and the after-effects of slavery in this country. I never buy it.

As I stated before, being Black and being gay are not the same thing with respect to being a minority.

sigmadiva 08-02-2012 12:12 AM

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Originally Posted by agzg (Post 2163462)
It's fairly clear you're going for the gold in mental gymnastics. But please, tell me more about me. Because this Chick-fil-A issue is clearly about you, and me, and my privilege versus your privilege. In fact, I believe the COO actually said that "agzg rules because WHITE LADY! sigmadiva drools because BLACK LADY!"


Ummm, yeah......:confused:

DrPhil 08-02-2012 12:19 AM

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Originally Posted by sigmadiva (Post 2163463)
And as I stated, for me it does.

And that is your problem.

Short list of power minorities:

1. Women--sexism, misogyny, patriarchy
2. Racial and ethnic minorities--racism and discrimination
3. LGBT--heterosexism and genderism
4. People with physical conditions--disability discrimination
5. Age groups (50+ in many contexts)--ageism

Back to the real discussion.


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