Of course the students going there get federal loans and grants.

But I want to reiterate what I said upthread: NOT all evangelical Christian institutions discriminate in hiring. I had a bad experience with one, certainly, but the other I spoke with offered me an in-person interview after I told them I was Jewish.

I edited my post when I saw your edit. :) Check it out.

As noted above, can we please stop confusing the extremists as having normal behavior for a sub-set of people?

Also, I feel that a student should have a choice in their education without being punished via less funding for choosing a spesific type of accredited university.

Not if it's a question of church versus state they don't.

Really? Wow.

The substantive difference is.....?

To see whether you are a "good Jew" or a "bad Jew." Joking. You got to the second stage of interviews. That's kickass. :)

You do realize that there is no actual constitutional separation of church and state, right?

Millsaps and Westminster were popular choices at my high school. They're not bad places if you're looking for a small school with lots of individualized attention. A lot of students went there because they got full rides that they wouldn't have received otherwise.

Yes, there is an actual separation. In the interpretation of the Constitution. Which is, whether you like or not, the law. :rolleyes:

laughs at you just like the audience laughed at her @2:58 and @7:20

if you have trouble understanding, listen to other candidate explain

http://troll.me/images/obama-laughin...a-laughing.jpg

Then you agree with AlphaFrog. Save your laughter for another time.

ETA: And read some of the comments on that youtube clip while you're at it.

No, the Constitution is meaningless without it's interpretation. Even the most conservative justices interpret the Constitution, you have to.

It is the law. While those words are not enumerated in the Constitution, the SCOTUS has established the establishment clause to mean that. Saying otherwise makes you sound ignorant and uninformed (and correctly so).

The End.

You are young and relatively new to this whole law thing so you have your own interpretation of AlphaFrog's post. However, the interpretation of the Constitution and the construction of laws is exactly what it is. These are constructed truths that hold weight until there is a reason for change (which includes challenges to the interpretation of the Constitution), which is why there are legal debates, certain court cases, SCOTUS speaking on such matters, and so forth.

The separation of church and state (whether it truly exists and what it means) is an ongoing debate for a reason.

DBB, the reason that an Evangelical college can discriminate based on religion, and an HBCU cannot discriminate based on race, is because of the Free Exercise clause. There isn't any counterpart to the Free Exercise clause when it comes to racial association. The government really, really wants to avoid confronting churches about internal religious matters (like who is morally fit to teach young people).

This is a contentious area of the law and it is still developing. The Supreme Court just heard arguments in this type of case this week:

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/10/06/us...0school&st=cse

This is a much better thread than SOM intended. :) Thanks to DeltaBetaBaby for hijacking.

It has taken a very interesting turn. hasn't it?

Actually, schools can do all kinds of things, they just can't accept federal funding if they refuse to accept federal guidelines as to what is or is not acceptable in their choices regarding hiring and admission. For example, Hillsdale College in Michigan is a liberal arts school that had a disagreement about just such a thing.

From their website - http://www.hillsdale.edu/about/history.asp
"It was the first American college to prohibit in its charter any discrimination based on race, religion or sex, and became an early force for the abolition of slavery. It was also only the second college in the nation to grant four-year liberal arts degrees to women."

In the 70s, they had a disagreement with the federal government on affirmative action, leading to a very lengthy lawsuit, the end result of which is that they decided to not accept any federal or state funding of any kind (including Pell grants). They exist on tuition and donations.