Oh no, you didn't. Tennessee and Kentucky both have been members of the the SEC since there was an SEC. In other words, the SEC has never existed without either of these schools.

I would also urge you to take a look at UK's bid day pics that have been posted here on GC, and I think you'll see goings on that rival any SEC school. We're working on getting the houses at UT, but we are not the only SEC school sans sorority houses (i.e., Auburn).

I write from a UT alumna's perspective who spent the past decade in metro Atlanta teaching SAT prep to students who were desperately trying to get into UGA. Their backup schools not only included Alabama and Auburn, but also Tennessee. In fact, of the three schools, Tuscaloosa is the furthest away from metro Atlanta and more often than not was third choice. Moreover, Georgia began the Hope Scholarship in 1993, when it awarded $21 million to students and grew to the size that it is today (I believe just under $700 million). It took about 5-10 years for UGA's admissions to become as competitive as they currently are.

Tennessee began the Hope Scholarship within the last decade (I've just moved back and I'm no longer in the college prep business, so I don't have as much info down by heart). There are already signs of Tennessee becoming a more competitive school, and I would not at all be surprised to see this trend continue.

Tennessee and Kentucky less traditionally SEC schools...humph. Even Bear Bryant spent time at Kentucky.

OK...taking my hurt pride back to my newbie corner to sulk and continue to lurk. Love my school. Love my panhellenic - the women are so awesome!

I saw the list of PNMs at the AOII house the other day at Ole Miss...holy moly you should see all of the TEXAS PNMs! WOW! I would say that out of state student percentage is almost as high as the in-state percentage! And the amount of PNMs from New England has increased! I don't ever remember anyone from up "north" except for my roommate/pledge sister/BFF who was form New Jersey but she had Ole Miss ties! Oh and two Canadians and two Europeans this year!

All right, here's what is or purports to be the Bama list

http://blog.al.com/tuscaloosa/2011/0...e_ua_soro.html

Have a blast! Best to all Bama new members and any of their family members and friends who've been following the stories and comments.

I scanned your post quickly. I believe that you did not understand what I meant. I inferred that the trend would continue to include both TN and KY, which while members of the SEC do not have ultracompetitive Panhellenic recruitments -- yet. I did not mean it to be snarky; altough I could see how some might take it that way. I am very proud of both UK and my own chapter (check my personal profile). Welcome to GC, newbie. Don't sulk, come join in the fun. Oh-- and all Panhellenic women rock!!!! :)

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Go Big Blue!

Yes!

TSteven-- as a former cheerleader, I think you know what I am thinking now -even after all these years. Although the memory has begun to fade and I have more pressing matters to consider, like the rivalry between Illinois and Wisconsin. :)

It's done! The Alabama 2011 NMs spreadsheet.

Thank you SOOO much to DubaiSis, unarose, and myopicsunflower for making this possible!

There are a LOT of out of staters, even more than Auburn. According to their enrollment census, of the whole student body:
68% are from Alabama
32% are from out of state

Of the 2011 Panhellenic new members:
41% are from Alabama
59% are from out of state

A few things jumped out at me:
-Only 3 chapters had more than 50% of their new members from Alabama
-In total, 20% of the women receiving bids were not from the South
-6 chapters had 20% or more of their members from outside the South
-One chapter had about 47% of their new members from outside the South
-Often, the Alabama and Auburn chapters of the same NPC group tend to have the same trend of in staters vs out of staters or non Southerners. For example, AGD at both schools tends to have a lot of women from Alabama, and Gamma Phi Beta at both schools tends to have a lot of out of staters, and a lot of members from outside the South.

I had so much fun doing these spreadsheets, particularly Auburn and Alabama. We often read about how being out of state or from outside the South is the kiss of death at big competitive SEC schools...but I beg to differ!

*I considered NC, SC, GA, FL, MS, TN, KY, LA, TX, AR, and OK as the South. All other states I considered outside the South. Like Auburn, most NMs from VA were from the northern part of the state.

I think for me, especially after you shared this completed-with-stats version, one of the things that stood out most was this: that although both chapters had a good percentage of Out-of-State NMs, Chi Omega and Kappa Delta each had only 3 and 4 non-Southern NMs respectively (bless them).

I'm certainly hoping we get to analyze the geographical make-up of the new Delta Gammas (:D), though I don't find any evidence that a separate press release of NMs was made in 2008 for Alpha Phi, so…guess all I have right now is that smidgen hope. :cool:

Helping with this was entirely my pleasure (especially since it was for Alabama—where I would've gone if everything had lined up right, lol). :D

It was my pleasure. Now, I think we should all start haranguing the various school newspapers to post their rush results. We've seen the quality of so many of them - they can use some suggestions!

Hi there! First post @ greekchat!

Thank you so much for taking the time to do this! It is very informative and helpful.

My DD will be going through rush in the fall of 2012, probably at an SEC school. I'm sure I'm going to have questions, and it looks like I've found a great place to find answers!

I would love to sink my teeth into University of Texas' bid list, if anyone can find it. Much/most/almost all of my knowledge about competitive Southern recruitments comes from Greek Chat, and it is my perception that Texas is one of the most brutal. Since 92% of the students are in state, I'd be interested to see how those 8% of out of staters fare.

It's a safe bet that the traditionally aged freshmen (those most likely to go through rush) lean more heavily out-of-state than the student body as a whole. As flagship public universities, Auburn and Bama attract a fair number of older, returning students and transfers from smaller, commuter-heavy 2- and 4-year schools. Students in that demographic are generally in-state, and they generally do not rush. My guess is that the geographic balance among 18-year-old freshmen is closer to 50/50.

I would also love to see a UT bid list if someone can find it. It would be very interesting to analyze. So if someone knows where we could find that, it would be great!

A few years ago, UGA had a spreadsheet on their greek life website that also listed grade level as well as hometown. I do remember having a lot of fun sorting it different ways, and in particular by hometown where I noticed trends of certain metro Atlanta high schools heavily represented in particular chapters. Those kinds of statistics, like the Alabama and Auburn examples here, can back up or disprove a lot of myths....like "ABC only takes Birmingham girls", or "I didn't get invited back because I'm not from Alabama".

Thank you SOOO much to DubaiSis, unarose, and myopicsunflower for making this possible!

These spread sheets are amazing! Thanks so much Violetpretty and all of your wonderful assistants.:D