Originally Posted by knight_shadow (Post 2022000)

That doesn't change the point I was making.

Originally Posted by naraht (Post 2022006)

Which was? Are you indicating that all of the fraternities that had some variety of rules limiting membership based on race, ethnicity or religion became fake when they removed them?

Originally Posted by BemoreLXA (Post 2021988)

No, not at all. I feel that I embody all of those aspects and personal attacks do little to bring me down. Regardless, I do have some problems with Warren A. Cole but I put those aside for the good he did for the fraternity

Originally Posted by 33girl (Post 2022019)

You made a personal attack on any APO chapter that strolls or steps, without knowing whether they bust their butts doing service (which they also usually do). Practice what you preach.

Originally Posted by BemoreLXA (Post 2021990)

This discussion has been pretty de-railed since its an AKA forum, if it were in Greek Life or somewhere else I would continue but I don't want to bring down the AKA's board.

Originally Posted by knight_shadow (Post 2022009)

I was mocking BemoreLXA. According to him, GLOs become 'fake' when they stray from the founders' original vision. I brought up an extreme to show how faulty that statement was.

Originally Posted by BemoreLXA (Post 2022037)

lol no. You made an Ad hominem attack against me. I didn't exactly do that. I used APO as an example of a service fraternity, which I regret doing since I should of just used generalities or "XYZ fraternity".

sorry

Originally Posted by BemoreLXA (Post 2021726)

Personally, I wouldn't join a service fraternity that emulated traditional NPHC communities because that just seems pretty phoney

Originally Posted by BemoreLXA (Post 2021872)

If I was on a campus where APO acted more like a social fraternity than a service fraternity, I wouldn't join APO because they're going against their purpose. That seems fake to me, as if the members couldn't get bids in IFC organizations so they joined something with greek letters. I can see feeling the same way if a service fraternity used a lot of the same symbolism in regards to signs, steps, strolls, etc as a NPHC organization

Originally Posted by MysticCat (Post 2022071)

Really?



So yeah, putting aside your regretted use of APO as an example, you basically said any service fraternity chapter that strolls or steps is, in your opinion, "phoney" and "fake," with members who probably joined just to get Greek letters.

Originally Posted by BluPhire (Post 2022089)

In a word, that is what he is saying.

And many would agree, I believe we had plenty of threads that discussed that same issue. Not necessarily a service fraternity, but even NIC's founded on HBCU campuses have run into that issue.

Originally Posted by MysticCat (Post 2022091)

And not just service and NIC fraternities. ;)

We have indeed had that discussion before, and I know that there are many who would agree, or at least have some problem with non-NPHC orgs "appropriating" NPHC traditions. I understand that.

What I don't understand is someone like BemoreLXA/Phi_Delta/408 saying it and then basically denying he disparaged other orgs.

Originally Posted by naraht (Post 2022095)

Hmm. I know of NIC, APO & GSS (Service), KKY &TBS (Band), and various Latino groups (both male and female) and I *think* religious (Alpha Nu Omega Fraternity and Sorority). Haven't heard of any NPC sororities that do stepping, but the day is still young. :)

Agreed on BemoreLXA. :mad:

Originally Posted by knight_shadow (Post 2022099)

Let's not forget Zeta Tau Alpha at Arkansas.

Or do you mean as a whole?

Originally Posted by knight_shadow (Post 2022099)

Let's not forget Zeta Tau Alpha at Arkansas.

Or do you mean as a whole?

Originally Posted by BluPhire (Post 2022103)

*** Closing Piano***

Time to go.

LOL

Originally Posted by naraht (Post 2022104)

No, I meant individually, and I had *completely* forgotten about the ZTAs at Arkansas.

Let's see, I think that leaves just the Honoraries as not having stepped. Anyone got a good video of a Tau Beta Pi chapter stepping? :)