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knight_shadow 01-15-2011 06:46 PM
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Originally Posted by rhoyaltempest (Post 2020857)
True but you get what I mean:)
Yea, I know :)

Just pointing out that it's not silly to study the physics of the universe, but getting all OMG MISS CLEO crazy can come off as silly.

rhoyaltempest 01-15-2011 06:52 PM
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Originally Posted by knight_shadow (Post 2020858)
Yea, I know :)

Just pointing out that it's not silly to study the physics of the universe, but getting all OMG MISS CLEO crazy can come off as silly.
It's scary though how much I'm a Taurus that I sometimes want to call Miss Cleo:o...LOL! But I won't.

Drolefille 01-15-2011 07:17 PM
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Originally Posted by rhoyaltempest (Post 2020852)
Some people study astrology. There's nothing "silly" about it and while I don't study it myself, I have respect for those that indeed take their astrological signs seriously. All I know is I'm 100% textbook Taurus in every way so there's definitely something to it...at least for me.
If Taurus 100% describes you, but does not 100% describe every person within the Taurus sign, then no, it's called coincidence. The human brain likes to see patterns, that doesn't actually mean there is true causation, or even true correlation. Particularly since the human brain also ignores things that disagree with the conclusions it already has and retains the things that agree. So when the horoscope is 'right' then we remember how AWESOMELY right it was and when it was wrong we remember how AWESOMELY RIGHT IT WAS LAST TIME.

So yes, it is silly. It's not science. It can be studied as a practice the same way many other things are studied, but if it is anything it is purely faith based. As I've never seen anyone actually claim a zodiacal faith, I'm not particularly concerned with calling it silly.

That doesn't mean it's wrong to read a horoscope for entertainment, or to read up on the historical and religious beliefs of the time of Ptolemy when the western zodiac was created and understand the concept... but basing one's life on it, complaining about having to relearn one's life as a ________ because they're no longer a ____________ is silly.

And k_s appears to be mistaking astrology with astronomy.

knight_shadow 01-15-2011 07:25 PM
Ahhh, fuck. You're right, DF.

ComradesTrue 01-15-2011 07:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Drolefille (Post 2020868)
If Taurus 100% describes you, but does not 100% describe every person within the Taurus sign, then no, it's called coincidence. The human brain likes to see patterns, that doesn't actually mean there is true causation, or even true correlation. Particularly since the human brain also ignores things that disagree with the conclusions it already has and retains the things that agree. So when the horoscope is 'right' then we remember how AWESOMELY right it was and when it was wrong we remember how AWESOMELY RIGHT IT WAS LAST TIME.

So yes, it is silly. It's not science. It can be studied as a practice the same way many other things are studied, but if it is anything it is purely faith based. As I've never seen anyone actually claim a zodiacal faith, I'm not particularly concerned with calling it silly.

That doesn't mean it's wrong to read a horoscope for entertainment, or to read up on the historical and religious beliefs of the time of Ptolemy when the western zodiac was created and understand the concept... but basing one's life on it, complaining about having to relearn one's life as a ________ because they're no longer a ____________ is silly.
Do I hear an AMEN? Oh, wait...

Drolefille 01-15-2011 07:36 PM
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Originally Posted by knight_shadow (Post 2020872)
Ahhh, fuck. You're right, DF.
It's why I'm here. To be the kill to your buzz. The cold floor underneath your naked ass in the morning.

Wait.

Splash 01-15-2011 07:51 PM
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Originally Posted by SMTTT (Post 2020281)
I liked being a Gemini even though we get a bad rap :(
Bingo.

AND I'll go ahead and save you all the trouble of making the multiple personalities joke - I only have ONE username.

rhoyaltempest 01-15-2011 08:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Drolefille (Post 2020868)
If Taurus 100% describes you, but does not 100% describe every person within the Taurus sign, then no, it's called coincidence. The human brain likes to see patterns, that doesn't actually mean there is true causation, or even true correlation. Particularly since the human brain also ignores things that disagree with the conclusions it already has and retains the things that agree. So when the horoscope is 'right' then we remember how AWESOMELY right it was and when it was wrong we remember how AWESOMELY RIGHT IT WAS LAST TIME.

So yes, it is silly. It's not science. It can be studied as a practice the same way many other things are studied, but if it is anything it is purely faith based. As I've never seen anyone actually claim a zodiacal faith, I'm not particularly concerned with calling it silly.

That doesn't mean it's wrong to read a horoscope for entertainment, or to read up on the historical and religious beliefs of the time of Ptolemy when the western zodiac was created and understand the concept... but basing one's life on it, complaining about having to relearn one's life as a ________ because they're no longer a ____________ is silly.

And k_s appears to be mistaking astrology with astronomy.
I don't even read horoscopes very much; they're never dead on with me but I do believe there is something to the zodiac, for some more than others of course. Some people are 100% their sign and others are to a certain extent or on the cusp with another or more. I have a book on Taurus which I purchased a while back just for fun, based on the study of several Taureans, both men and women and was totally amazed at the intimate details it revealed about my personality; things most people don't even know about me. Now, will every Taurus prove to be the same way, probably not but all the Taureans I know (and I know a few, both men and women) share the same personality traits and there also seems to be a slight difference (but the same difference) regarding April Taureans vs. May Taureans and males vs. females. Is this coincidence? I don't see it that way but we can agree to disagree since all opinions are valid.

rhoyaltempest 01-15-2011 09:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Drolefille (Post 2020868)
If Taurus 100% describes you, but does not 100% describe every person within the Taurus sign, then no, it's called coincidence. The human brain likes to see patterns, that doesn't actually mean there is true causation, or even true correlation. Particularly since the human brain also ignores things that disagree with the conclusions it already has and retains the things that agree. So when the horoscope is 'right' then we remember how AWESOMELY right it was and when it was wrong we remember how AWESOMELY RIGHT IT WAS LAST TIME.

So yes, it is silly. It's not science. It can be studied as a practice the same way many other things are studied, but if it is anything it is purely faith based. As I've never seen anyone actually claim a zodiacal faith, I'm not particularly concerned with calling it silly.

That doesn't mean it's wrong to read a horoscope for entertainment, or to read up on the historical and religious beliefs of the time of Ptolemy when the western zodiac was created and understand the concept... but basing one's life on it, complaining about having to relearn one's life as a ________ because they're no longer a ____________ is silly.

And k_s appears to be mistaking astrology with astronomy.
Thanks for pointing this out. Knight_Shadow was trying to confuse me.:D

Drolefille 01-15-2011 11:06 PM
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Originally Posted by rhoyaltempest (Post 2020885)
I don't even read horoscopes very much; they're never dead on with me but I do believe there is something to the zodiac, for some more than others of course. Some people are 100% their sign and others are to a certain extent or on the cusp with another or more. I have a book on Taurus which I purchased a while back just for fun, based on the study of several Taureans, both men and women and was totally amazed at the intimate details it revealed about my personality; things most people don't even know about me. Now, will every Taurus prove to be the same way, probably not but all the Taureans I know (and I know a few, both men and women) share the same personality traits and there also seems to be a slight difference (but the same difference) regarding April Taureans vs. May Taureans and males vs. females. Is this coincidence? I don't see it that way but we can agree to disagree since all opinions are valid.
But if it only describes some Taureans then what is the point?

I mean, for example, I'm a Capricorn. I'm very stubborn, but I'm not organized at all. If I want to believe in the zodiac I'd probably say, well I'm such a Capricorn and if it weren't for my ADD I'd be really really organized too. So I've created an explanation.

But the real question is, how do constellations which are random groupings of stars that kind of looked like certain beings to the Ancient Greeks (for the Ptolemeic zodiac) have any effect on the personalities of people born during 'their' months.

It's not surprising you see patterns, because as I said, that's what the brain does. It's really common, but that doesn't mean there's actually something TO the zodiac.

Sorry, it's just that differing opinions don't come into play when it's about evidence and science. If you want to believe in it, fine, but it's essentially religious.

NinjaPoodle 01-15-2011 11:30 PM
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Originally Posted by 33girl (Post 2020272)
Eff no. This is stupid.
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Originally Posted by lovespink88 (Post 2020274)
No me gusta.
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Originally Posted by Kappamd (Post 2020276)
Heck NO.
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Originally Posted by Gusteau (Post 2020290)
I'm still a Taurus.
YES to all of the above and I'm NOT a Libra D*** IT! I'm full on Scorpio. Beeyotch.;)

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Drolefille 01-16-2011 12:22 AM
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Originally Posted by Jen (Post 2020919)
It's not just the sun that you pay attention to in astrology when it comes to what your personality is supposed to be like. Every planet is in a sign when you're born as well. Each planet rules specific characteristics ie Mercury rules communication etc.

So you may have the Sun in Aries when you're born, and be an Aries, but maybe Mercury is in Virgo. So you may act like a Virgo in situations regarding communication. Venus might be in Gemini, so you may act like a Gemini in situations regarding love and relationships.

The moon changes signs every few hours, and it has a big effect too, so people born the same day can have different influences in their chart.

There's also the 'rising sign' which is supposed to colour a lot of your personality, it's the sign that's on the horizon when you're born. This sign changes frequently as well.

So there are actual explanations built into astrology for why a person may not suit their sun sign. Whether they hold any water or not is up to each person's beliefs.
Yet two people born at the same time in the same general area of the world will still have different personalities. ;) I agree, it's about beliefs.

PeppyGPhiB 01-16-2011 04:03 AM
They want to make me not even a Libra, but a Virgo? They're moving me up TWO signs? No way, I'm a textbook Scorpio! Fear my stinger!

NinjaPoodle 01-16-2011 05:50 AM
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Originally Posted by Brandon X (Post 2020986)
I don't get into astrology. I think it's stupid. I find it sort of laughable that some people actually believe it to be true. "I'm a leo, so I get along with an Aries". It's horseshit.
It's entertainment.

AnchorAlum 01-16-2011 03:15 PM
I've been a Moon Child/Cancer all my life and I'm just too damned old to change into a Gemini now.

Imagine the confusion. Which Twin would I be? A grumpy old one? Heck, at my age I've already got the grumpy thing going on.


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