It often doesn't matter what the "pledges" say and whether they claim to like and/or appreciate what they have to do.

Imagine a world where GC determines outcomes.

Thank you.

Exactly my point. The nationals/schools/anti-hazing advocates get on their high horses and say it's to protect the pledges, when often they aren't thinking about them at all. They're thinking about their own good PR.

How many posts have we seen on here from girls who have been through NM education, are now members of their groups and are CLUELESS as to how to operate in their org and about Greek life in general because they didn't learn anything, because "pledging" was nothing but 6 weeks of touchy-feely and presents? What did they pay those huge fees for?

Actually, the crux of her post was her asking for an efficient way to help pledges learn information. I gave her a simple non-hazing way and also pointed out that some of the things they were doing weren't necessary.

The "not seen or heard" was in reference to people reporting that they heard things and included a ;) after it - in other words SHE WAS JOKING.

Seriously, anyone who comes on here with local letters gets assumed to be one of two things: 1) horrible hazers 2) a "joke" GLO. It's fucking annoying.

Your interpretation and mine are quite different. The only reason I think they have a hazing problem is because she said they did. And the ;) after it could mean " ha ha not really" or "wink wink you know what I mean." I interpreted it to be the latter and still do. Sorry.

Her responses to the posts, including the different specific things she mentioned, only confirm my impression.

LOL. But, the opinions of "pledges" shouldn't matter. There are "pledges" who for some reason enjoyed being paddled and look forward to doing that to the next group of "pledges." Sure, having to wear colors isn't the same as being paddled but there's a thin line when you are putting "pledging" in the hands of people with a potentially vivid imagination and a gatekeeper mentality. The end result is that we have to realize that these strict regulations that prohibit things that seem meaningful and harmless exist because people don't know how to quit when they're ahead. Imagine being a regional and national entity that has to regulate hundreds of chapters and thousands of members.

I always frame it as, Greeks used to have a lot more freedom. But some people had to blow it and that's why you have a 10pm curfew and can't date til you're 17. Sucks? Yes. But the collective "we" showed we can't be trusted.

Right and she thanked you. What are you complaining about? LOL.

Greekchat is not a place to be babysat. I'm actually amused that you feel this way considering your rant about "touchy-feely" processes. The OP has her letters and should know what to do with them regardless of what GCers type.

She should save that joke for the Greek Life office. They would slap their knees in laughter.


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There ya have it.

People break the rules (often the rules they think prohibits the meaningful and harmless stuff) and they do so knowing that getting caught has a consequence. Cause and effect.

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I gave a suggestion. The OP didn't respond to it. I certainly don't see Locals as losers or major hazers. I have several cousins-in-law who were in Local orgs at small ohio colleges, and never ever got that impression. But considering the OP said they had been in trouble with their college for hazing, and people "hear" things coming from their house... I took that in a literal sense. Not that people hear rumors about her house, but that people walk by and either hear the girls yelling or singing or doing something very vocal for long periods of time. Is yelling or singing to excess the best way to get new members to learn what needs to be learned? Hardly.

Yes, you did. And then you went on to be kind of condescending to her. Speaking of quitting while you're ahead.

Seriously, if you (everyone you) can't step out of your national bubble, just don't pay attention to any posts from anyone in a local. I'm sorry but I've seen this attitude time and time again on GC over the years and I'm just really sick and tired of it. If this girl had been from a chapter of a national and said she got accused of hazing unfairly, I doubt there would have been an automatic pile on.