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KSUViolet06 06-03-2010 12:59 AM
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Originally Posted by rhoyaltempest (Post 1938558)
Especially since probating comes from our former pledge tradition and history. Much of what you see is a reflection of our former pledge process, so if you have no clue as to what was involved, you can't truly appreciate the probate. Now coming out shows (true coming out shows) are a different story although still a reflection of our pledge history.
Exactly. It has nothing to do with our history/NM period/anything.

So if a non-NPHC group is holding one, they're really just jacking it because they think it looks cool (which I feel is the translation of "we're paying homage.") Call it what it is. It's not homage. lol.

I tend to have the same opinion regarding non-NPHC orgs imitating other NPHC traditions (i.e. the jackets, line numbers, etc.)

BluPhire 06-03-2010 08:25 AM
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Originally Posted by preciousjeni (Post 1938503)
They're still around but they tend not to show up on youtube.

For obvious reasons.

Psi U MC Vito 06-03-2010 08:37 AM
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Originally Posted by DrPhil (Post 1938549)
*whispering* Most of us weren't supposed to be in this thread, anyway. :p

Depending on what you thought of, you may not be too off base. You have me curious. LOL.



Yes, we stress being financial and active at some level until the day we die. :)

I may be missing what you're saying, so pardon me if I am:
I understand the NPC founding contexts and purposes. It seems that would be even more reason to stress the lifelong involvement. There are similarities and differences between the NPHC and NPC founding contexts and purposes. We all stress scholarship, empowerment, address minority status, sisterhood, social, and service. But, it's about more than our founding principles and purposes. Not every NPHC org was founded at an HBCU and we were founded by Black men and women in the early 1900s and Civil Rights Era. We were minorities on campus and/or in society. Our relevance continues 47-104 years later and we stress duly initiated members' role in doing so long after initiation.
I'm approaching this from an NIC point of view obviously. That being said I think she meant that NPHC tends to stress the philantrophy aspect of membership more then either NIC or NPC does. Of course she can correct me if I'm completly off base. :D

AZTheta 06-03-2010 09:41 AM
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Originally Posted by Psi U MC Vito (Post 1938655)
I'm approaching this from an NIC point of view obviously. That being said I think she meant that NPHC tends to stress the philantrophy aspect of membership more then either NIC or NPC does. Of course she can correct me if I'm completly off base. :D
Nope, not gonna correct you, mister - b/c you're also right about what I was trying to convey. Often I have several thoughts running simultaneously that are all connected in this piece of matter I have called a brain. Things are interrelated and I don't always explain my thoughts well.

But you guys are GOOD, you get it. Wow.

Bottom line is I respect my friend and emulate her as much as I can, both professionally and personally. She's amazing! We decided we were sisters in another life ;)

OK, OK - a swerve, off topic, so back to the thread at hand.

preciousjeni 06-03-2010 10:13 AM
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Originally Posted by BluPhire (Post 1938650)
For obvious reasons.
Perhaps, but I think it's mostly out of respect. There are orgs that still openly pledge (and probate), non-NPHCs of course.

ree-Xi 06-03-2010 10:22 AM
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Originally Posted by KSUViolet06 (Post 1938594)
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I tend to have the same opinion regarding non-NPHC orgs imitating other NPHC traditions (i.e. the jackets, line numbers, etc.)
I know that some Gamma Sig chapters at HBCUs do use line numbers, jackets, and other traditions previously held by NPHC organizations. Other chapters act very much like an NPC sorority/fraternity, having mixers and date nights with male fraternities, etc. When I was initiated into GSS (early 90s), we operated very differently. We were always a service-based organization and although we had sisterhood events, we didn't operate as a social org.

I always see Gamma Sig as having its own place and existence, and therefore, don't understand the taking of too many pieces of NPHC or NPC organizations and trying to change GSS. Of course, that is my opinion. It doesn't make me respect any chapter any less for taking on newer traditions, but I think it should be in the spirit of service, first and always.

My chapter is no longer, so I can't say that I have personally experienced these changes, however, I have read about and seen videos and photos demonstrating them.

DrPhil 06-03-2010 10:30 AM
HBCUs have a tendency to do that to organizations. :) A chapter that is predominantly racial and ethnic minority will tend to operate differently than a chapter that is predominantly white.

The NIC (or were they IFC back then?) fraternities that colonized at HBCUs saw it firsthand. Many of them were students who wanted to be in an NPHC frat trying to change the structure of the NIC fraternity to mirror what they aspired toward--and then some of them eventually joining an NPHC frat if the rules and new member selection allowed them to. I don't recall an NPC chapter ever being chartered at an HBCU.

rhoyaltempest 06-03-2010 10:34 AM
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Originally Posted by preciousjeni (Post 1938675)
Perhaps, but I think it's mostly out of respect. There are orgs that still openly pledge (and probate), non-NPHCs of course.
We really need to cut the crap and be real. The reasons why orgs imitate NPHC traditions has nothing to do with showing respect or paying homage and contrary to what people try to convince themselves of, imitation is NOT the sincerest form of flattery. It's okay to "borrow" a little but make it your own and create your own traditions. Let's call it what it is.

ree-Xi 06-03-2010 10:34 AM
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Originally Posted by DrPhil (Post 1938680)
HBCUs have a tendency to do that to organizations. :) A chapter that is predominantly racial and ethnic minority will tend to operate differently than a chapter that is predominantly white.

The NIC (or were they IFC back then?) fraternities that colonized at HBCUs saw it firsthand. Many of them were students who wanted to be in an NPHC frat trying to change the structure of the NIC fraternity to mirror what they aspired toward--and then some of them eventually joining an NPHC frat if the rules and new member selection allowed them to. I don't recall an NPC chapter ever being chartered at an HBCU.
That makes a lot of sense regarding Gamma Sig. Thank you for the perspective!!

DrPhil 06-03-2010 10:37 AM
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Originally Posted by rhoyaltempest (Post 1938683)
We really need to cut the crap and be real. The reasons why orgs imitate NPHC traditions has nothing to do with showing respect or paying homage and contrary to what people try to convince themselves of, imitation is NOT the sincerest form of flattery. It's okay to "borrow" a little but make it your own and create your own traditions. Let's call it what it is.
*cough**cough* The stepping chapters of ZTA *cough**cough*

rhoyaltempest 06-03-2010 10:41 AM
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Originally Posted by DrPhil (Post 1938687)
*cough**cough* The stepping chapters of ZTA *cough**cough*
LOL!

BluPhire 06-03-2010 11:10 AM
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Originally Posted by DrPhil (Post 1938680)
HBCUs have a tendency to do that to organizations. :) A chapter that is predominantly racial and ethnic minority will tend to operate differently than a chapter that is predominantly white.

The NIC (or were they IFC back then?) fraternities that colonized at HBCUs saw it firsthand. Many of them were students who wanted to be in an NPHC frat trying to change the structure of the NIC fraternity to mirror what they aspired toward--and then some of them eventually joining an NPHC frat if the rules and new member selection allowed them to. I don't recall an NPC chapter ever being chartered at an HBCU.

Nailed it on the head.

agzg 06-03-2010 11:22 AM
I don't think it would make sense to do it. Since NPC new members are "public" from the get-go, you'd be doing a probate on day 1.

Senusret I 06-03-2010 11:24 AM
Not really.

All orgs take on the traditions of their campus. It has little to do with wanting to actually be in an NPHC org.

When APO chartered at Howard, it was the only non-NPHC GLO there. They sat on the Greek council and were expected to do all the same things as everyone else, for consistency and legitimacy.

33girl 06-03-2010 11:35 AM
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Originally Posted by psusue (Post 1938527)
The closest thing that I can think of in the NPC world is formal bid. Apparently it was a big tradition at my school a few years ago. From what I've gathered, it's a night that is chosen somewhat into the new member period in which a sorority brings their new member class to a fraternity house to formally announce their new women. Then typically the new member class's bigs watch over them for the night.
Was it open to the public and just held in a fraternity house because there are no sorority houses? Or were they announcing them to that fraternity? Because if the second, then ick.

The closest we got to "presenting" our pledge classes was putting an ad in the school paper welcoming them after bid day and then when they were initiated.

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Originally Posted by DrPhil (Post 1938680)
The NIC (or were they IFC back then?)
NIC = National Interfraternity Conference - the national body.
IFC = Inter Fraternity Council - the campus governing body.

Along that same vein, although not used as frequently:
NPC = National Panhellenic Conference - the national body
PHC = Panhellenic Council - the campus governing body

Hope that helped :)


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