I actually own a copy of Pledged that I found at a Yard Sale, I think I paid 25 cents for it, and frankly I overpaid given the sensationalism. I haven't actually made it all the way through. Ick.

Dumb > right

I agree with you on that.

I'm still trying to figure out which is most accurate, "Pledged", "Peggy Sanday's Fraternity Gang Rape" or the graffiti in the Men's room near campus, and frankly I'm leaning toward the Graffiti.

OTOH, there are some books on the Subject that I think are definitely worth while. Start with Baird's Manual of American College Fraternities for the dry facts, Add Lawrence Ross's Divine Nine or Black Greek 101 for the NPHCs and some of the widely published specific history books like the one for Delta Sigma Theta.

Hank Nuwer's writings, such as Broken Pledges, however accurate they are should *not* be the first information that a prosective member gets.

Well, if the Kappa Sigma brother has found a newspaper article in the Archives of the Baltimore Afro-American indicating that George Washington Carver was the keynote speaker at the 10th anniversary Delta Sigma Theta National Convention, that would be valid information to add, with the reference. As I said, let me know if your issue is with the rules at Wikipedia or with the way that I (follow/fail to follow) them.

Are you saying these books cover the topic of hazing?

My issue is with people having too much time and concern on their hands. That pertains to everyone and everything that it pertains to.

No, they don't, I was covering a wider area. If anyone has any books on hazing that meet or exceed Hank Nuwer's works, I'd love to know about them.

Yes, I was referring to In Search of Sisterhood.

I've read both Divine Nine and In Search of Sisterhood and for those it wasn't curiosity. Due to prior experience with being the chapter rep to the Alpha Phi Omega chapter at Howard, I'm at the point where one of my specialties in Alpha Phi Omega is the culture at the HBCUs and how culturally Alpha Phi Omega is different there due to the interactions with the NPHC. I wish I'd had both books when I was first rep to Howard, but neither had been published in 1992.

If you took everyone away from Wikipedia who had too much time on their hands, it wouldn't be much of a project. :) :)

Please.

And you do a lot of lane swerving, so what's the damn difference? He has just as much free time as you do, yet still manages to contribute to his fraternity (since his initiation as a collegian) and to the Greek community at large.

In other words, you've got a lot of shit to say -- shut up.

Please yourself. It's one thing to have hazing incidents posted in the Risk Management forum that are recent. It's a completely different thing to post in the forum ASKING for incidences of hazing deaths for a particular council.

If I did that (and asked for NPHC) you'd be the first to be all over me like flies on shit and you know it.

Do your own damned research instead of asking everyone else to do it for you.

FURTHERMORE, I could care less if naraht has enough time to write a book on hazing or what have you. He can do with his time what he wants to do. I just don't believe he actually wants to discuss hazing within the NPC at length, and I'm pretty sure there's some sort of alterior motive.

No, I wouldn't, and I REALLY wish the good people of GC would stop assuming that because they know my first name or my posting style that they can predict what I am going to do next.

He does not have an ulterior motive. He's been here as long as the rest of us and hasn't published a book yet, so just ignore it and keep it moving.

Good. Just making sure because this is a hazing thread.

Now if someone accused *you* of trying to publish a book, they might have something. :)

LOL...... Lazarus Part V: The Death of Becky

LOL. Then answer his darn question, Senusret.