Originally Posted by starang21 (Post 1887496)

someone else can date the sandwich artist.

Originally Posted by cheerfulgreek (Post 1887505)

Working at McDonalds, Scrubway, Taco Hell, etc. etc. alone is not going to pay the bills

Originally Posted by knight_shadow (Post 1887507)

Depends on what kind of bills said person has. And what position he has.

Originally Posted by cheerfulgreek (Post 1887505)

THIS.

And I don't want anyone to think I'm a gold digger or anything like that, because I'm not. I wasn't trying to be condescending at all, it's just that a guy without some kind of ambition to me is lazy. I hate lazy people. Seriously. I mean, at least make enough money to be able to support yourself. Working at McDonalds, Scrubway, Taco Hell, etc. etc. alone is not going to pay the bills and it definitely will not provide for a family. When I get married and he gets laid off or something and has to work two or three jobs, then I'm o.k. with that, but I would hope that he's tryng to do something to get back on his feet. I'm just trying to be realistic, that's all I'm doing. A lot of people say they would be o.k. with people doing this or someone doing that in a marriage, but really, when the responsibility sets in, then what? I'm sorry, but if I met a guy and he said he worked at McDonalds, I'm going to ask "doing what?" and if he's my age or in his 30s and he's a "french fry engineer" or whatever the title is now, or he's not in school, or trying to work his way up the ladder at McDonald's then I'm going to wonder why is this guy who's in my age group, not in school, or not doing anything else to try and better himself? If he's a nice guy then he can be nice for some other girl. I guess I'll miss out on a sweet, genuine guy. I seriously would rather be single. However, I don't mind if he's making less than me, I really don't, as long as I feel financially secure with him. When I'm all done with school and everything else that I plan on doing, he probably will be making less than me, and that's o.k. but I'm not going to take care of kids and an adult guy who works fast food jobs. Sorry.

Originally Posted by DaemonSeid (Post 1887518)

And I agree. It's not about being a gold digger, it's about meeting someone close to where you are just in case one stumbles the other can pick up some of the slack

Originally Posted by cheerfulgreek (Post 1887510)

...then he's living check to check. That's not financial stability.

Originally Posted by cheerfulgreek (Post 1887510)

If he's making sandwiches as a sandwich guy or whatever they call the title now, then no. Whatever kind of bills he has, if he's making sandwiches for a living, and that's it, then he's living check to check. That's not financial stability.

Originally Posted by epchick (Post 1887521)

A lot of people wore better jobs than fast food places and still live paycheck to paycheck. A "good" job and ambition don't mean anything when you can't even live w/i your means and are up to your eyeballs in debt.

Originally Posted by knight_shadow (Post 1887522)

If someone is debt free and is making (for example) $30,000 as a manager at one of those places, I don't see how that's not stable.

If he has 324,234 credit cards and is a "sandwich artist," then I can see your point. Not everyone falls into that category, though.

Originally Posted by epchick (Post 1887521)

A lot of people wore better jobs than fast food places and still live paycheck to paycheck. A "good" job and ambition don't mean anything when you can't even live w/i your means and are up to your eyeballs in debt.


ETA: A manager at Starbucks makes more money than a teacher (at least here they do). I wouldn't necessarily knock "fast-food" jobs.

Originally Posted by knight_shadow (Post 1887522)

If someone is debt free and is making (for example) $30,000 as a manager at one of those places, I don't see how that's not stable.

If he has 324,234 credit cards and is a "sandwich artist," then I can see your point. Not everyone falls into that category, though.

Originally Posted by DaemonSeid (Post 1887529)

find me someone who is making $30K and debt free ^wink^

Originally Posted by cheerfulgreek (Post 1887530)

A teacher requires an education and is career path. A manager at Startbucks can also be a career path. It's also important not to live above your means. There are some people making 6 figures and are still living paycheck to paycheck, and that's because they're living above their means.


I didn't say manager. I said sandwich maker...entry level. No ambition.

eta: and if he has that much credit card debt, then he's not very good with money.

Originally Posted by knight_shadow (Post 1887537)

Entry level is just that -- entry. Not everyone is fortunate enough to get a higher position right off the bat. Maybe he's paying his dues until something better comes along. You never know a person's full situation.

Originally Posted by cheerfulgreek (Post 1887542)

And I know that. I honestly don't think anything is wrong that, really, I don't. You said it yourself "until something better comes along". And if it doesn't, and he's making $30,000 a year doing what he enjoys doing, then I'm o.k. with that. As long as he's able to support me and/or the family if something were to happen to my job. That's all I'm saying, knight_shadow.

Originally Posted by knight_shadow (Post 1887546)

I see what you're saying NOW, but your initial comment read like "Anyone who works in a position that's less than mine is unworthy." I was just pointing out that situations vary.