This thread is an example of how messages are better received from different messengers. I hear what you're saying kish2.

His message was well-received until he decided to show his ass (again).

The attempts to discuss the topic at hand were thrown to the wayside after we were reminded that "George Jefferson moved on up" and were told to take care of our children.

uh huh and you all chose to respond to his thread. no surprises here, people.

Sure, that is easy. Lincoln HS in Phila has 14 full time cops and that is not even a big school. Name me one public school in Phila that does not have full time cops. Be specific!

All the integrated neighborhoods in the city have been destroyed.

N. Philly
S. Phila,
SW Phila,
NE Phila

I could pretty much name a dozen neighborhoods in EACH of those areas. Why do you think most people moved out of the city? The city population went from 2.1 mil down to 1.5 while the suburbs went from almost nothing to 3.5 million. The city has 400 murders per year while the burbs with double the population has very few murders. N. Philly is pretty much a warzone. The cops call it the badlands. The state actually leads the nation in black homicides thanks to a couple sq miles in N. Philly and you wonder why we won't let you in the pool.



The ONLY neighborhoods that have not been destroyed are the ones with minimal integration.

The initial responses weren't necessarily addressed to him. They discussed the topic at hand.

Whether or not we agree with him is irrelevant once he starts spouting BS.

The title of this thread calls to mind a godzilla-style Obama who hulk smashes all the houses.

Case in point...

I don't think it's irrelevant.

Try explaining WHY you think that post is BS.

"The ONLY neighborhoods that have not been destroyed are the ones with minimal integration."

Obviously, his intent is to stir up drama, NOT to have intelligent discussion. Bringing up "black homicide" and "not letting us in the pool" have nothing to do with the negative effects of integration. I agree with you (and him, I guess) that a lot of low-income areas are plagued with crime and less-than-stellar school districts, and forcing integration will do little to change that.

But if the only way he can get his point across is by telling "my people" to get jobs and take care of our kids (ie. his bullshit), then I can't quite take him seriously.

Again, there was a start to a good discussion until he showed his ass.

I knew you'd start here.

ETA: We know who the messenger is. That doesn't mean the central point behind the message is incorrect. It means that it will be clouded with madmax-isms. No surprises here, people.

OK.

ETA: I agree with your ETA.

I agree with you in this. but that is more a case of certain areas not having enough resources allocated to them. What max is saying is that these areas are bad just because they are inhabited by poor black people. It really boils down to cities choosing to focus their resources for things such as public safety and education into the more affluent neighborhoods.

Once again, you all are being hoodwinked and bamboozled by madmax.

If you agree with me then you agree with madmax's central point. Simple and plain.

What neighborhood? One example does not defeat my arguement. I can list dozens of neighborhoods that are ghettos. I can even list entire cities. Anyone here from NJ? The entire city of Camden is a ghetto.