You took my post the wrong way. Not in ANY way did ANYONE deserve this as individuals nor their loved ones. But, as a nation we have done some other nations wrong. And they retaliated, it was their intention to bring us down to our knees, unfortunately harming innocent civilians. They were definately attacks, but not unprovoked. We need to make peace with who ever did this, not war! If so, I believe that this recent tragedy will be the tip of the iceberg if they decide to attack us again.

Okay, let me get this straight. You're saying that the USA has wronged other nations. We provoked the attacks. We need to make peace.

First of all, by saying the attacks were provoked, you are blaming the victim. This is just wrong. Nothing could justify such mass murder and horror. This is also dangerous logic, the same logic that says that a woman in a short skirt deserved to be raped, that she "asked for it" and provoked it. Wrong, wrong and wrong.

This is NOT the time to make peace with these "people," I am sorry to say. That would be providing positive reinforcement to them. That would be teaching them that they can get what they want by murdering innocent people. This will teach them: oh, we want to get the U.S. to take us seriously and make peace with us, so all we need to do is murder a bunch of their people. Wrong again.

Finally, IMHO, there is no opportunity for peace. These people don't want peace. They want Americans dead. They want YOU dead, if you are an American. You. They would kill you right now if they had the chance.

On a side note, if you want some information on the people you would have us make peace with, check out

http://rawa.fancymarketing.net/index.html

to see that the Taliban is PURE EVIL. They have been torturing and killing people in their own country. Negotiate with that? Make peace with that? I don't think so.

Let me say this again, no one deserved this. What I said above was more of an explanation. And, that was my opinion, that may or may not be true.

:confused: Who's Taliban? :confused:

Here are links to descriptions of the Taliban, which is basically a fundamentalist Islamic group that has taken over almost all of Afghanistan and is hosting bin Laden as a "guest":

http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/wor...000/144382.stm

http://www3.cnn.com/WORLD/9610/05/taleban/

The link I provided in my earlier post highlights some things that the Taliban has done, which is where the problems lie, IMHO.

I suppose the great thing about forums like this is that we can all post our opinions even if we disagree. Cheers.

If you don't even know who the Taliban is, then you are VERY behind in your US Foreign Policy/ Politics and in my opinion, have no support for your argument that this was retaliation instead of an attack. Though unrecognized by all but 3 nations (Pakistan recognizes them) the Taliban is the current ruling party of Afganistan - they are extremists and they do follow the jihad mentality toward the United States.

Okay, first of all...
 

Okay, I'll refrain from being harsh, but in all brutal honesty, Zeta's the one who started with the f words and calling us stupid.

I am also completely offended by the statement that because we're young we don't take this as seriously as you do because your 30. How do you know?? I know some 30 and 40 year olds that completely don't care. Not in the least. Yet, I see 19 and 20 year olds signing up for the military. You tell me that we don't care when we're flying flags at our apts and on our cars...

Dont tell ME I don't care because I'm ninteen, because unlike so many, I cared about our country BEFORE these attacks. 4th of July for me wasn't a good excuse to eat bbq, it MEANT something.

PS- I'll refrain from commenting on your midwest comment except to say that I'd consider Penn, where the plane crashed, the midwest, so It's just as likely to happen in the midwest as it is out east.

One more thing-

I'm not saying that I don't care about the news coverage. I propose they go back to regular scheduling until they have something to report that I haven't heard 50 thousand times over again. It's constant, debate over the SAME subjects that have been debated two hours ago. That's what upsets me. I'm all for interuptions when something actually newsworthy goes on. We ALL know the wtc's collapsed, we ALL know who did it, we ALL know the US needs to be patient, we ALL know we're eventually going to retaliate, we ALL know there are a million police and firefighters out there working their asses off...We KNOW THIS ALREADY!

my2 c.

Jess

PS-Zetagirly, don't leave. I do apologize for my harsh comments, I just find that this all upsets me a great deal and for my own excuse, I was dumped in an email ten seconds before I replied.

Sorry.

Jessica.

Some What A Time To Chill
 

While we all want to be kept updated, IT IS the time to move on! We as Americans NO matter what Race, Color, and Creed are all greiving!

I have not heard from Brothers who I have E-M to. I have gotten confirmations of those that are!

Right now, there is a lot of hate going around, and We do not need to perpetuate this same hate!

We are a very special group of people no matter how and what out situation is! We all hurt from someone vialating us as a Country not asIndividuals as we are all from all over the world!

We as we are are BIGGER than Them!
I would love to turn them into dust, and it make come to that.

Please let it not come to that or we may have more on our hands than we want!

True a major tragedy has happened in our country but like many other tragedy's we can not DWELL on the situation. Yes we all know what has happened and what has yet to happened, but we can not stop our lives and our everyday actions. By "Moving on" I don't think we are being insensitive. I personally would rather move on, then sit and dwell everyday of the friends and family I lost and the friends and family other people have lost!AS sensitivity dealing with age, thats Way off topic and pointless!
Secondly no one said, how pressed or displeased that their"favorite shows" weren't on TV the day of the Attack on the US. People are more pressed the media is playing off of the Attack, there are rumors and all sorts of false media that has been issued since day one of the attack. By watching countless hours upon hours of News and other related features , helps the situation how...... It doesn't! By other "younger" members of gc posting their threads on rush or what have u, is one of the purposes of Greekchat. Not all of us deal with a major tragedy the same way, some people put it in the back of their mind, others discuss and relate to it in everyway. But either way we deal with , but in our own way and I find that far from being insensitive!
DGPhoney~

Well said, Ms. DGP. :)

Ok, I didn't know what the Taliban was. But, that dosen't mean that I don't know how the we (the US) through our weight around. Some of you guys are ALSO VERY behind in US foreign policy/Politics.
I belive the reason why they destroyed the WTC is to mess up our economy, if it was their agenda they should have done it like 3 am or something.

I for one am not behind in my US foreign poicy and politics - I am a political science major and right now I am currently takeing American Foreign Policy, Political Behavior, and Intro to International Relations. I understand the stances America has taken throughout the years - and i understand your argument that this was retaliation. however, I very strongly disagree. If a nation has a problem with US military forces being in their region - they should take it out on US military forces - not civilians and inncocent passangers on an airplane. There are two sies to every story - while you may see it as wrong for the US to be supporting Israel - others may see it as our moral obligation. Nations come to us for help, we still are and always will be the most powerful nation - there will always be people who disagree with the way this nation conducts it's foreign policy - but you cannot please everyone all of the time.

I disagree that the economy is the target. Osama bin Laden has been quoted as saying that it is the duty of every Muslim to KILL AMERICANS. He and his followers don't just want to mess with our economy; I wish it were that simple. They want us all dead. Additionally, the Taliban, which is harboring bin Laden, has interpreted Islam in such a way as to use it to oppress, torture and kill people, especially women. I feel for our country and for legitimate followers of Islam who have to deal with the fact that bin Laden has twisted the religion to suit his evil purposes.

Their agenda is to kill Americans...the economy is just gravy. That's why they did what they did between 8-9 in the morning, in what could be considered two of the most powerful complexes in the United States, if not the world.

I'm not tired of new coverage...but it hurts me just like it was the 11th all over again to see that 767 slam into the WTC. I feel like showing that over and over again is gratuitous. I understand that new developments happen every day, and I'm keeping tabs on those, but I cannot watch the videos from last Tuesday.

Plus, I'm not from NY or DC, but I have family and friends who possibly were in those places, and the first few hours after the attack were HELL. Most places in the NE had overextended their phone capabilities, and I couldn't call home for hours. I wouldn't wish those fears I had that morning on my worst enemy. So, everyone is affected--this should just remind us that NYC is not the center of the world.

I can't believe the depths of pettiness that people are sinking to on these boards (whomever STARTED OUT using the curse words, assuming that because they're "older" they can criticize younger people, and criticizing others' knowlegde of foreign relations). :rolleyes: Now's the time for us all to come together, and put the pettiness aside. If someone wants to leave--seriously, let them leave. Not a problem.

To all the "older" people who say college students, teens and young adults don't understand or care: you sound just like your mother :D ;)
We as greeks know that you can't generalize any group based on a few experiences. Let's not behave in a manner that we'd complain about in any other circumstance.
Heidi