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The1calledTKE 12-07-2003 01:07 AM

Congrats to LSU ya'll deserved the sec championship. The Dawgs have to settle for the Sec east. Here is to next year ;) . Hope you go to the Sugar and represnt the SEC well.

mullet81 12-07-2003 02:56 AM

Whoa... totally didn't expect OU to lose... The BF was just about FLIPPING OUT watching the game. He says this throws everything off. Will OU still head to the sugar, if they do, who goes with them, LSU or USC?! :confused: My logical thought was USC b/c theyre #2, but apparently LSU beat a better team today than USC. Its crazy controversy and the BF kinds hopes that USC goes to play Michigan in the Rose so we can have tradition back. I'd feel bad for USC if that happened! I'm sure they'd rather be in the National Championship!

Kevin 12-07-2003 02:59 AM

Actually, LSU loses stregnth of schedule points for beating Georgia a second time (messed up, eh?)..

As an Oklahoma fan, I don't think they deserve to play in the Sugar.. Bring on Miami in the Orange Bowl.. There is nothing that would please me more than seeing OU kill a Miami team:D

The crap part is that there are conferences (Big 10, Pac 10) that don't play for conference championships. They need to fix this.. Either everyone or no one.

As far as their record, OU still leads the Big XII in win-loss.

TigerGirl52 12-07-2003 03:15 AM

Haven't posted here in ages but all I have to say is GEAUX TIGERS!!!!!!!!! Couldn't have been a better game. Have to say thank you to zntke711 for being a good loser though. HEHEHE. :) Now I have to go to bed...came in early for the bar because I was about to throw up all over the dance floor. It sucks being a lightweight. GEAUX TIGERS GEAUX TIGERS GEAUX TIGERS GEAUX!!!!

Allie

amycat412 12-07-2003 03:36 AM

I would LOVE to see USC-LSU in the Sugar Bowl-- I think it would be a great game, our teams are well matched.

However the BCS apparently sucks the big one, as the current predictions are AP and Coaches polls will be
1. USC
2. LSU
3. Oklahoma

But the BCS will be
1. Oklahoma
2. LSU
3. USC

OR if AP/Coaches are
1. USC
2 Okla
3 LSU

BCS will be
1. OKla
2 USC
3 LSU

THAT JUST MAKES NO SENSE.

kstar 12-07-2003 04:05 AM

I just stepped off the plane from KC, and all I have to say is that I froze my butt off for nothing...

OU was looking past K State, true, but it wasn't fair that we had to play against them and against the officials. There's a field judge out there that I hope loses his job, causing his wife to divorce him and take the kids, and then he goes bankrupt and loses his house and car, leaving him penniless and homeless, that would rock, or some fan could just shoot him... He prolly went to USC, crappy ref.

General consensus is that OU goes Sugar Bowl bound no matter what.

And now I'm off to Norman Regional's ER, I think I drank myself sick...

mullet81 12-07-2003 04:08 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by kstar
I just stepped off the plane from KC, and all I have to say is that I froze my butt off for nothing...

OU was looking past K State, true, but it wasn't fair that we had to play against them and against the officials. There's a field judge out there that I hope loses his job, causing his wife to divorce him and take the kids, and then he goes bankrupt and loses his house and car, leaving him penniless and homeless, that would rock, or some fan could just shoot him... He prolly went to USC, crappy ref.

General consensus is that OU goes Sugar Bowl bound no matter what.

And now I'm off to Norman Regional's ER, I think I drank myself sick...

wow, i think you have issues that need to be taken care of!

Kevin 12-07-2003 04:26 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by amycat412
I would LOVE to see USC-LSU in the Sugar Bowl-- I think it would be a great game, our teams are well matched.

However the BCS apparently sucks the big one, as the current predictions are AP and Coaches polls will be
1. USC
2. LSU
3. Oklahoma

But the BCS will be
1. Oklahoma
2. LSU
3. USC

OR if AP/Coaches are
1. USC
2 Okla
3 LSU

BCS will be
1. OKla
2 USC
3 LSU

THAT JUST MAKES NO SENSE.

Well seeing as Oklahoma lost to the strongest team (I mean, hey... head to head, K-State did beat Cal) they should be ahead of USC. LSU.. well it would make sense to play them in the Sugar, but Oklahoma will probably play USC.

I'm hoping that they can pull themselves back together for the Sugar Bowl if they get they get there.

kafromTN 12-07-2003 07:21 AM

LSU will be in the Sugar Bowl b/c Boise St. beat Hawaii and so USC strength of schedule drops and LSU jumps ahead in the BCS. The only other question is if Oklahoma gets dropped past 3 in the coaches and ap polls which I doubt will happen...but it is possible seeing as they lost to #13 ranked team.

-Mark

TigerGirl52 12-07-2003 12:20 PM

Amycat....I would love to see LSU play USC too. That would definitely be an awesome game. I'll probably be in New Orleans for the Sugar Bowl no matter if LSU plays or not. All in all...yesterday was a pretty great day for football with the exception of USC winning. Had they lost...I'd absolutely be on cloud 9 right now. No offense to USC fans of course. Still in shock over Oklahoma losing...never thought I would see that happen. Congrats to K-State though!

Allison

AUDeltaGam 12-07-2003 12:39 PM

So explain something to me...

LSU has one loss
USC has one loss
OU has one loss

What makes one team better than another? :confused:

ThetaLove 12-07-2003 01:59 PM

Just thought I might share what little understanding I have of the B.S. polls... Oh excuse, me did I say that, I meant BCS polls.

It is this complicated system that is done by the computer and by people. It seems unfair at times, but it is the best system we have.

Whoever said that LSU would drop after beating GA for the second time, I don't think that was right. That won't happen, why would we be penalized for beating a top 5 team twice? If anything it will help us in the coaches polls. Even the people who doubted that we outplayed Georgia the first time really had to eat their words after last night.

USC's strength of schedule is dropping because of two other games played last night.

So to answer your question of what makes one team better than another, it has to do with who you play, how well you play and a little bit of when you play them. Although all these things go into it, it isn't always the computer who looks at the full picture. For instance, the computer doesn't look at how bad one team won or lost, although people do. Like take for instance Oklahoma, that probably won't bring them down that much in the computer polls, but it might in the coaches/ap polls.

"From my vantage point in the Georgia Dome pressbox Saturday night, this is what I could tell you according to theories laid out by ESPN's BCS analyst, Brad Edwards:

If USC goes to No. 1 in the AP and coaches' polls, the Trojans needed Oklahoma to drop only to No. 2 in the polls and LSU to stay at No. 3. In that case, USC would play Oklahoma in the Sugar Bowl and LSU would be shunted off to one of the other three BCS bowls: the Rose, Fiesta or Orange. Probably still the Rose, but who can really say?

Before Saturday I was thinking the SEC champion was a lock for the Rose because the Fiesta Bowl was expected to strongly consider taking Texas to preserve the bowl's Big 12 tie-in. But now Kansas State as Big 12 champion will automatically be invited to the Fiesta.

Now what if USC moves up to No. 1 in the polls, LSU moves up to No. 2 and Oklahoma falls all the way to No. 3? It is entirely possible that LSU and Oklahoma would be the top two teams in the BCS standings and play each other in the Sugar Bowl while USC -- No. 1 in both polls, mind you -- is forced to play in the Rose Bowl.

What will become of the BCS computer rankings? The last time I saw the seven BCS computers they were shuffling off toward Buckhead, looking to tie one on. But once they sober up, LSU is expected to be No. 1 in at least six of the seven.

By the way, LSU's rematch with Georgia boosted the Tigers' over USC in terms of BCS strength of schedule. Did it boost them into the Sugar Bowl? LSU coach Nick Saban couldn't say.

"I think our team deserves the opportunity to play for a national championship," Saban said. "But the system we have is not perfect. We've taken care of business this season with only one loss, but if we wouldn't have had that loss (to Florida) we wouldn't be in this place."

However, you can believe Saban's No. 1 vote in the coaches' poll will be for LSU.

As for my vote in the AP poll, going into the weekend I had Oklahoma at No. 1, LSU at No. 2 and USC at No. 3.

Given the number of quality teams LSU has beaten -- including the most difficult of all possible rematches against No. 5-ranked Georgia in the Georgia Dome -- I will vote LSU No. 1. I'll have USC at No. 2 and drop Oklahoma down to at least No. 3, though I'll have to give 10-2 Michigan some consideration for that spot.

LSU deserves the No. 1 ranking over USC based on the fact it played and defeated more top 25 teams. LSU deserves the No. 1 ranking over Oklahoma because the Tigers won their conference, something the Sooners utterly failed to do. And LSU only lost by 12 points to a quality Florida team, not by 28 to Kansas State.

What I can't tell you is whether one of three deserving teams will lose its chance to have a shot at the national championship or whether all three will be in the running.

I can tell you this: this is the biggest mess in college football since Teddy Roosevelt saved the game from extinction a century ago. And the only thing that should be extinct now is the current BCS system."

Hope this will shed some light and anyone feel free to correct me.

bethany1982 12-07-2003 02:48 PM

The BCS is BS. We'll see what happens. The USA/ESPN poll has USC as number one, followed by LSU and OK. I think a case could be made for all three teams. It will be interesting to see what happens.

kstar 12-07-2003 03:29 PM

OU still deserves to go to the championship, not just because I'm a fan, but because they play a consistently harder schedule than the other teams that are ranked in the top three. The Big XII has the MOST top 25 ranked teams of any conference, and OU lost once.

And yeah, I am pissed about the loss, I lost over $500.

Thrillhouse 12-07-2003 04:15 PM

According to espn.com, they speculate it will probably be Oklahoma vs LSU for the national title.

USC gets jobbed big time if it happens. Screw strength of schedule, they are the best team bar none right now. This is a nightmare for the BCS is USC doesn't get allowed to play for the title. As a Michigan fan, I'd rather see USC beat Michigan just to stake claim as the real national champs. I'd like to see a USC-Oklahoma matchup myself.

ETA: One more thought, I thought the BCS would eliminate split national championships.:confused:


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